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Old February 14, 2017, 14:13   #51
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It's one thing for a weapon to gain one or two dice, and on rare occasions 3 dice, but 6? Jeez Louise.
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Old February 14, 2017, 15:39   #52
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Originally Posted by PowerWyrm View Post
Grond is 9d9. And has permanent aggravation... Anything close to that (and mostly coming with slays and even *slay*s) should either be nerfed, or aggravate.
Given that its other powers are trivial (compared to Sting which has +3 speed, +1 STR/DEX/CON, and +2 blows, among other things), presumably what happened here is a randart weapon that just happened to dump most of its point pool into damage.

Personally I like the artifact; I think it's a fun thing to find every once in awhile. Of course things like that shouldn't be remotely common (one game in 20 might be about the right frequency). If we were to try to take corrective action based on a single data point though...well, we shouldn't. But. I would suggest measuring DPR vs. dungeon level for the existing weapon standarts, and then varying the "power price" of purchasing damage-related abilities for randart weapons based on where they currently are in relation to that measured curve.

So for example, say Sting has a DPR of 300, and our Quarterstaff starts out with a DPR of 50 (base dice, no to-dam, no slays). It's distinctly under par, so damage-related abilities (dice, to-dam, to-hit, slays/brands, +blows) will be cheaper, not counting heavily against its power. As it acquires those abilities, however, its DPR increases, making additional such powers more expensive. Once it passes 300 DPR, the cost of those abilities will be more expensive than baseline, because a weapon that focuses entirely on damage to the exclusion of other powers is probably going to be better than a weapon that has lots of powers but no damage.

Stuff like resist fire, free action, or stat boosts will still cost invariant of DPR because their utility doesn't depend on how much damage you're dealing.
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Old February 14, 2017, 23:16   #53
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Originally Posted by Pete Mack View Post
I don't understand this. Other than the activations, random light sources are completely randomized. How can they be more so?
No, they are not. They were, briefly, but for some reason they didn't have light activations, so they went back to the way they were before. But during that time period, some of the random lights were very interesting, if only they had their light actitions.
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Old February 14, 2017, 23:18   #54
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Originally Posted by Derakon View Post
Your statement is certainly true, but somehow there's something...almost offensive, I guess? about the game generating an item that would be completely awesome for somebody else. Items that are "bad, therefore junk" (straight downgrades of items you already have) are just a fact of life for a difficult-to-balance loot system, but items that are "good, but not for you, therefore junk" are more irritating.
Again, we already have items that are for "someone else"--at least, that is, until YOU become that someone else, which we almost all do. There is no character class I don't play, for example. If I can live with 18 different useless magic books appearing when I play a fighter, I think you ought to be able to live with the Thief's Bag that appears once in a while even when you are playing a mage.
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Old February 14, 2017, 23:32   #55
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like i said previously, the case is that a randart such as:

1. big dice
2. big to-dam
3. one or two useful slay / brand
4. either speed, blows, or some class-oriented stats.

does not actually have a very high power value. vanilla artis have additional features which, while useful, are not fundamental (i.e. slay orc, INT/WIS, activate for something silly like CLW, see invisible, resist base, etc) and raise the power level.

ideally what you would want to find is a mace of distruption, +2 blows, slay evil. that's it. adding +spd or maybe a couple points STR is cool, but you can get those from other gear, and an arti like this does very well in its role (pure damage dealer) while costing very little in power level.

that quarterstaff really needs slay evil, shame it's not there, but hey. or acid brand.

and you really just need the game to roll one such artifact, and you are set.

at one point i knew in my game there was a Bladeturner-based armor, which has +7 search, +7 dex, +7 speed, plus all the usual goodies, but i also know that it's very unlikely that i will find a power 700+ artifact, unless i grow old clearing greater vaults.
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