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Old February 25, 2014, 16:13   #31
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Maybe....I love priests myself, but I prefer High Elf priests. With 2 rings of escaping and a lot of +stealth, orbing when they have mana and retreating when they dont.

I find it sad that clairvoyance doesnt detect item types anymore, though. This spell was the "reward" for a hard early game
Early game with priests is hard only if you choose race like hi-elf with penalty to WIS and very slow level gain. For Dwarf early game is easy. Mid-game before getting Godly Insight is hard (if you get lucky with GI it's easy too). Then it is easy again. For stealthy priest I would choose hobbit over hi-elf.
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Old February 25, 2014, 23:18   #32
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Early game with priests is hard only if you choose race like hi-elf with penalty to WIS and very slow level gain. For Dwarf early game is easy. Mid-game before getting Godly Insight is hard (if you get lucky with GI it's easy too). Then it is easy again. For stealthy priest I would choose hobbit over hi-elf.
Hobbit priest is great, too, but has low hit points. There is this phase when I feel invincible with priests, when I have good artifacts, clear GVs deep down and nothing wakes up because im so stealthy that I have to remind myself constantly to be careful because con isnt maxed yet and hp are low (like 300).

With hobbit, it is harder to get out of this before the Phoenix catches me offguard than with high elves despite the xp penalty.
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Old February 25, 2014, 23:34   #33
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I want mages to have access to Detect Treasure (again? iirc they used to have it)
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Old February 25, 2014, 23:36   #34
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I want mages to have access to Detect Treasure (again? iirc they used to have it)
They get Detection and Enlightenment, which functionally supercede Detect Treasure. That spell itself has never been a part of the priestly spell list IIRC.
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Old February 26, 2014, 00:57   #35
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The key word was mages. No enlightenment for them.
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Old February 26, 2014, 03:03   #36
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The key word was mages. No enlightenment for them.
Oh, duh, my mistake. Mages get access to Detect Treasure in the fourth spellbook.
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Old February 26, 2014, 03:08   #37
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I thought they get the lesser Detect Objects. Maybe I have those two names mixed up. I want them to have the rogue one.
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So far as I'm aware the only difference is that the mage version is available later. Does the rogue spell do something special?
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Old February 26, 2014, 03:45   #39
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So far as I'm aware the only difference is that the mage version is available later. Does the rogue spell do something special?
The rogue spell identifies specific objects (?of WOR, Mace, !CCW, etc.) rather than the generic * with other detections. Enlightenment is the only other way to get specific object detection.
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Oh, weird. Well, there's a very good reason to keep the other classes from getting access to that ability: it's cheesy as hell. We want the player to have to weigh the pros and cons of diving into that vault full of nasties without being able to make a fully-informed opinion. If there are no unknowns to exploration, then it ceases being exploring.
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