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Old November 13, 2016, 07:12   #11
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DSM of speed is on average +3, which isn't going to free up a slot except in usual situations. +5 is enough to free up a slot for a Ring of Power, but it REALLY rare for the high DSMs. Dwarven +2 is more common.
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Old November 13, 2016, 09:19   #12
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It usually gives AC (not hugely valuable)
AC can be really nice in the midgame, but it has to be a huge difference to be felt. I remember using Gondricam circa dlvl 30-40 and I could really feel the +50 AC.

Body armours are usually nice for their activations, too.

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DSM of speed is on average +3, which isn't going to free up a slot except in usual situations. +5 is enough to free up a slot for a Ring of Power, but it REALLY rare for the high DSMs. Dwarven +2 is more common.
Now there's a chance to get speed from various items so sometimes it can help swap out e.g. an amulet. I tend to favour low speed items if they help me reach a plateau (+10 or +20). Speed is always welcome and it's nice to have another potential source of it. I found a couple of speed DSM during my last run so they didn't seem to be *that* rare.
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Old November 13, 2016, 11:59   #13
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i would see it the other way around; you get EVERY resist except nether from PDSM, which means you can pick whatever gear you need for stat boosting and +dam.
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Old November 13, 2016, 12:42   #14
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PSA - having a PDSM does *not* make you invincible.

jesus, this game ...
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Old November 13, 2016, 16:21   #15
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DSM of speed is on average +3, which isn't going to free up a slot except in usual situations. +5 is enough to free up a slot for a Ring of Power, but it REALLY rare for the high DSMs. Dwarven +2 is more common.
That's the other thing -- DSM of speed used to have significantly higher pvals. I think the cap was +10 in the first iteration. That wisely got toned down in the next version.
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Old November 13, 2016, 18:06   #16
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does it matter? you get nearly every resist AND +3 speed ..

other OP egos: gauntlets of combat (+2 STR, +2 CON) can easily go to (+10, +10), which makes them better than Fingolfin; Bow Of Lothlorien is pretty well OP as a shooter, never mind the added bonuses.
Boots of Elvenkind (+8 spd, +6 stealth), maybe luck out with a cloak that gives rNether.
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Old November 13, 2016, 18:18   #17
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Well no. Both Dwarven and Speed high dragon armor are ridiculously overpowered. CON and Speed are both god stats. Probably they should be limited to MHDSM at the outside (That is comparable to existing artifacts. The armor most comparable to Dwarven Balance DSM is soulkeeper, which is vastly more rare.
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Old November 14, 2016, 09:43   #18
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I liked the "of sustenance" suffix for DSM. Why did it get removed
I feel that of speed is overrated though; I think I had one case where using one enabled me to replace a speed ring or so, but that was one of those games where I played past the point of winning. I prefer dwarven DSM, the stats are usually useful.

Edit: I once found 2 dwarven PDSMs in one game, and they stacked. I am sure its one of my dumps, but I cant find out which one. I really need to save a link to that dump.
This one? http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=12178

Coincidence that they both had exactly the same AC bonus?
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This one? http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=12178

Coincidence that they both had exactly the same AC bonus?
Yes! Thanks for finding it - I thought it was dwarven, but it was Craftsmanship.
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bump

dragon armor of speed actually goes up to at least +5, if not more, but i just found one like that.
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