August 9, 2017, 05:02
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How to kill Morgoth?
I took a glaive wielding guy down to the throne room and was completely unable to get through Morgoth's regeneration. I had a lot of fun abusing a glaive, polearm Mastery, focused attack, and knockback throughout the intervening floors. Is there something I could have done differently to take him out? On looking at the dump, maybe I should have given up on polearms (but I'm not sure this would have helped against Morgoth)
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[Sil 1.3.0-mpa Character Dump]
Name Naron Age 2,799 Str 4 = 3 +1
Race Noldor Height 6'6 Dex 4 = 3 +1
House Fingolfin Weight 152 Con 6 = 5 +1
Gra 4 = 3 +1
Game Turn 27,308 Melee (+20,5d7) Melee 20 = 22 +4 -6
Exp Pool 3,975 Bows (+9,2d9) Archery 9 = 4 +4 +1
Total Exp 85,375 Armor [+25,7-18] Evasion 25 = 20 +4 +1
Burden 131.6 Stealth 0 = 0 +4 -4
Max Burden 207.3 Health 0:59 Perception 13 = 9 +4
Depth 1000' Voice 41:41 Will 20 = 12 +4 +3 +1
Min Depth 1000' Smithing 9 = 2 +4 +3
Light Radius 5 Song 14 = 10 +4
You are one of several children of a bard from the house of Fingolfin.
You have light grey eyes, straight black hair, and a fair complexion.
[Last Messages]
> The Orc champion flees in terror!
> The Cat assassin flees in terror!
> You clear the rubble. <2x>
> You strike, but there is nothing there.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness misses you.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness slams his hammer into the ground.
> The Grey Potion of Slow Poison shatters!
> The Cat assassin is hit by falling debris.
> The Cat assassin has been slain.
> You are pummeled with debris!
> You clear the rubble.
> You provoke attacks of opportunity from adjacent enemies!
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness misses you.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness hits you.
> You die.
[Screenshot]
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[Equipment]
a) a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2> 12.0 lb
It improves your tunneling by 2. It requires both hands to
wield it properly.
b) a Longbow of Radiance (+1,2d6) 3.0 lb
It fires shining arrows. It can shoot arrows 20 squares
(with your current strength).
c) a Silver Ring of Frost {rf}
It provides resistance to fire.
d) an Onyx Ring of Evasion [+2]
e) a Golden Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+1>
It increases your grace by 1. It sustains your grace. It
lights the dungeon around you.
f) a Feanorian Lamp of True Sight
It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination. It
grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.
g) a Mail Corslet of Venom's End (-1) [-2,2d4]
It provides resistance to poison.
h) a Cloak of Warmth [+1]
It provides resistance to cold.
i) (nothing)
j) The Jewelled Crown of Feanor [+0,1d1] <+3>
It improves your will and smithing by 3. It provides
resistance to fire. It lights the dungeon around you. It
grants you the ability to see invisible creatures, but it
also enrages nearby creatures. It cannot be harmed by the
elements.
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Strength [+0,1d1] <+1>
It increases your strength by 1.
l) a Pair of Mithril Greaves of Free Action [+0,1d2] {free action}
It grants you freedom of movement. It cannot be harmed by
the elements.
m) 92 Arrows (+3)
They can be shot 20 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) 99 Arrows (Poisoned)
They are branded with venom. They can be shot 20 squares
(with your current strength and bow).
[Inventory]
a) 6 Pale Green Herbs of Restoration
b) 5 Fragments of Lembas
c) 3 Murky Brown Potions of Orcish Liquor
d) 8 Emerald Potions of Clarity
e) 5 Brilliant Blue Potions of Voice
f) a Dark Green Potion of True Sight
g) 2 Vermilion Potions of Quickness
h) 8 Sky Blue Potions of Elemental Resistance
i) 3 Brown Potions of Strength
j) a Violet Potion of Dexterity
k) a Green Potion of Constitution
l) 4 Copper Speckled Potions of Grace
m) a Walnut Staff of Sanctity (4 charges)
n) a Runed Staff of Understanding (2 charges)
o) a Runed Staff of Understanding (2 charges)
p) a Birch Staff of Revelations (6 charges)
q) a Beech Staff of Treasures (1 charge)
r) an Adamant Ring of Strength <+1>
It increases your strength by 1. It sustains your strength.
s) a Glaive (-2,2d10) [+1] 5.5 lb
It requires both hands to wield it properly. It counts as a
type of polearm.
[Abilities]
Power
Polearm Mastery
Follow-Through
Knock Back
Crowd Fighting
Heavy Armour Use
Dexterity
Focused attack
Keen Senses
Concentration
Hardiness
Critical Resistance
Constitution
Weaponsmith
Song of Slaying
Song of the Trees
Song of Sharpness
[Artefacts]
The Leather Armour of Gorlim (found)
The Leather Armour of Caranthir
The Galvorn Armour of Maeglin (found)
The Mail Corslet of Durin
The Round Shield of Glorfindel (found)
The Kite Shield of Hador
The Kite Shield of Fingolfin
The Dagger 'Angrist'
The Shortsword of Amrod (found)
The Longsword 'Orcrist' (found)
The Longsword 'Glamdring' (found)
The Longsword 'Narsil' (found)
The Spear of Boldog (found)
The Great Spear of Melkor
The Jewelled Crown of Feanor (found)
The Cloak of Maglor
The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin (found)
The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil (found)
The Pair of Boots of Finrod
The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor (found)
The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth (found)
[Enemies]
7 / 7 Wolf
2 / 5 Tanglethorn
11 / 15 Orc
1 / 1 Grimhawk
1 / 1 Orc scout
7 / 7 Spider hatchling
1 / 2 Blue serpent
12 / 19 Orc soldier
8 / 16 Madthorn
3 / 3 Gorcrow
9 / 12 Orc archer
20 / 24 White wolf
0 / 1 Red serpent
(slain) Gorgol, the Butcher
37 / 45 Orc warrior
3 / 4 Sword spider
19 / 19 Crebain
2 / 2 Mewlip
7 / 8 Orc thief
6 / 6 Nightthorn
1 / 1 Green serpent
12 / 15 Mountain troll
1 / 1 Tattered wight
(slain) Boldog, the Merciless
16 / 21 Orc champion
35 / 37 Easterling warrior
16 / 17 Hummerhorn
8 / 8 Orc captain
19 / 22 Warg
7 / 7 Grave wight
6 / 7 Dark serpent
9 / 15 Whispering shadow
10 / 10 Distended spider
7 / 10 Easterling archer
5 / 5 Twisted bat
(slain) Othrod, the Orc Lord
11 / 11 Snow troll
3 / 3 Lurking horror
14 / 22 Giant
(slain) Uldor, the Accursed
14 / 16 Easterling spy
8 / 8 Shadow bat
17 / 18 Sulrauko
1 / 4 Fire-drake hatchling
(slain) Ulfang the Black
(slain) Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
14 / 16 Werewolf
7 / 10 Shadow spider
5 / 5 Shadow
3 / 3 Sapphire serpent
(slain) Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
5 / 6 Ruby serpent
3 / 3 Creeping horror
17 / 22 Ringrauko
3 / 3 Deathblade
19 / 19 Cave troll
7 / 7 Emerald serpent
5 / 5 Oathwraith
50 / 57 Cat warrior
6 / 6 Amethyst serpent
12 / 16 Kemenrauko
5 / 5 Grotesque
5 / 5 Young cold-drake
(slain) Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
(slain) Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
12 / 15 Spider of Gorgoroth
15 / 16 Greater werewolf
0 / 1 Adamant serpent
16 / 17 Lesser vampire
8 / 8 Cat assassin
(slain) Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
3 / 6 Young fire-drake
17 / 17 Darting horror
27 / 31 Unmourned
45 / 47 Ururauko
(slain) Tevildo, Prince of Cats
(slain) Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
5 / 5 Ancient sapphire serpent
96 / 97 Troll guard
27 / 28 Vampire
0 / 9 Nameless thing
(slain) Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
7 / 7 Ancient ruby serpent
2 / 4 Great cold-drake
0 / 5 Silent watcher
32 / 32 Gwathrauko
(slain) Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
(slain) Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
3 / 3 Ancient spider
12 / 12 Ancient emerald serpent
12 / 12 Vampire lord
(slain) Dagorhir, the Elfbane
(slain) Gostir, the Dread Glance
2 / 2 Ancient amethyst serpent
1 / 1 Great fire-drake
4 / 4 Hithrauko
(slain) Shelob, Spider of Darkness
2 / 2 Ancient adamant serpent
1 / 1 Unrelenting horror
(slain) Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
(slain) Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
(seen) Ungoliant, the Gloomweaver
(seen) Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
[Notes]
Naron of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 6 Aug 2017
Turn Depth Note
593 100 ft Found The Leather Armour of Gorlim
709 100 ft (Weaponsmith)
776 100 ft Made a Glaive (-2,2d9) [+1] 6.0 lb
827 100 ft Made a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2> 12.0 lb
837 100 ft Made a Longbow (+0,2d5) 3.0 lb
1,001 150 ft (Polearm Mastery)
3,031 300 ft (Focused attack)
3,281 300 ft Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
3,290 300 ft Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
3,777 350 ft (Power)
4,404 350 ft Found The Round Shield of Glorfindel
4,623 350 ft Encountered Boldog, the Merciless
4,662 350 ft Slew Boldog, the Merciless
5,776 350 ft (Concentration)
6,050 400 ft Found The Spear of Boldog (from 350 ft)
8,176 450 ft Encountered Uldor, the Accursed
8,345 450 ft Slew Uldor, the Accursed
8,568 450 ft (Keen Senses)
8,862 500 ft (Knock Back)
9,892 500 ft Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
10,150 550 ft (Song of the Trees)
10,240 550 ft Encountered Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
10,268 550 ft Destroyed Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
10,564 550 ft Encountered Othrod, the Orc Lord
10,588 550 ft Slew Othrod, the Orc Lord
11,040 550 ft Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
11,095 550 ft Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
11,209 550 ft Found The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor
11,602 550 ft (Hardiness)
11,734 550 ft Encountered Ulfang the Black
11,756 550 ft Slew Ulfang the Black
12,628 650 ft Found The Longsword 'Glamdring'
13,591 750 ft (Crowd Fighting)
13,591 750 ft (Heavy Armour Use)
15,943 700 ft Encountered Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
15,951 700 ft Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
16,012 700 ft Fell through a false floor
16,805 750 ft (Critical Resistance)
16,934 750 ft Fell through a false floor
17,978 800 ft Found The Jewelled Crown of Feanor
18,545 850 ft Encountered Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
18,581 850 ft Destroyed Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
18,689 850 ft Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
18,722 850 ft Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
18,770 850 ft Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
18,771 850 ft Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
18,778 850 ft Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
18,827 850 ft Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
19,604 850 ft (Song of Slaying)
20,590 900 ft Fell through a false floor
21,322 950 ft Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
21,330 950 ft Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
21,330 950 ft Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
21,623 950 ft (Song of Sharpness)
21,707 950 ft Found The Shortsword of Amrod
21,762 950 ft Encountered Dagorhir, the Elfbane
21,779 950 ft Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
22,505 950 ft (Dexterity)
23,174 950 ft Found The Longsword 'Narsil'
24,051 950 ft Encountered Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
24,080 950 ft Slew Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
24,080 950 ft Found The Galvorn Armour of Maeglin
24,808 950 ft (Constitution)
25,450 950 ft Encountered Gostir, the Dread Glance
25,465 950 ft Slew Gostir, the Dread Glance
25,610 950 ft Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
25,648 950 ft Destroyed Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
26,984 1,000 ft Entered Morgoth's throne room
26,987 1,000 ft Encountered Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
26,987 1,000 ft Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
26,996 1,000 ft Encountered Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
26,998 1,000 ft Encountered Ungoliant, the Gloomweaver
27,007 1,000 ft (Follow-Through)
27,019 1,000 ft Encountered Shelob, Spider of Darkness
27,020 1,000 ft Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
27,039 1,000 ft Destroyed Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
27,080 1,000 ft Slew Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
27,080 1,000 ft Found The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil
27,233 1,000 ft Slew Shelob, Spider of Darkness
27,308 1,000 ft Slain by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness.
27,308 1,000 ft Died on 08 August 2017.
['Score' 020072692]
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August 9, 2017, 06:05
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Knight
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 526
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You need to use a munchkin, minmaxed build to kill Morgoth.
If you just want to beat the game, knock off his crown, pry a Silmaril from it and GTFO.
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August 9, 2017, 11:34
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Knight
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Prague,Czech Republic
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Basically you'd need to have found the Sharpness glaive I think.
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August 9, 2017, 11:41
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Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Not sure if you had knockback still on or if it was even working against V, but you generally don't want that in the throne room because it increases the time between hits and gives him more turns to regen.
You probably could have done it with this character, but it's quite a lot harder to win with a 2-handed weapon without rapid attack. Not sure how you used song of slaying either, but the general strategy is to run to the center of the throne room before the tension is broken, get a big mob of monsters around you, superbuff and eat rage to build your slaying bonus to 20+ before really taking a crack at V.
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August 9, 2017, 12:21
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Prophet
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Polearms are trixky, the mechanics favour the lighter weapons. Still it would been enough with more damage output. Reaching woven themes so you could use sharpness. Momentum & str or damage rings. You don't really need the rfire ring in the throne room. Just make sure you're con buffed & if any of the unique dragons show the ! Elemental Resistance does the trick.
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August 9, 2017, 12:31
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Prophet
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Also not sure why you're wielding the mattock. You do realize you can dig with it from the inventory?
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August 9, 2017, 13:50
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August 9, 2017, 17:38
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Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2017
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You can dig with the mattock from inventory?!? The things I learn about this game. No, I didn't know that. I was trying to run away from Morgoth near the end there but he had reduced the throne room to rubble so I had to dig around looking for the crown.
@Debo, yeah I had knockback turned off. I was watching some of your videos of the throne room so that's the strategy I tried to use. |
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August 9, 2017, 21:32
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Knight
Join Date: Jan 2013
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A staff of freedom can make this task much easier, a lot more rubble and pit clearing in a single turn. What happened to you is the reason I panic in the throne room and just grab a Sil and go once Morgoth does not fall rapidly.
Also, you should not die unbuffed in the throne room. This should not be a thing, renew if needed and run if you feel you are running out of the relevant potions. All these +3's, especially con and dex and quickness make a huge difference. |
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August 9, 2017, 22:21
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Join Date: Dec 2016
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There are a few sub-optimal things in your build:
- Dodging + Flanking is always better than crowd fighting and heavy armor use unless you're purposefully going with little evasion (but why?). Flanking + quickness is like having true haste and not just fast movement. - You don't need more than 1 rank of rF on unless you're fighting a fire-breather. The Strength ring would probably be better. - If you want to kill morgoth you really want Rapid Attack. I would've sacrificed a few points in evasion in order to get it. |
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