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Old October 22, 2016, 22:21   #31
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(Aside: Why isn't it "approve of this message"?)
Because it's an official thing - it's formally approve and allow to be published, rather than just generally approve of.
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Old October 22, 2016, 23:06   #32
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Because it's an official thing - it's formally approve and allow to be published, rather than just generally approve of.
Aha! Thanks for that. TIL.

(It still sounds really weird and stilted. Do any of you native speakers also have this experience of the weirdness?)

EDIT: Hang on... shouldn't it be "approved this message"? Logically the unmodified phrase is really weird, I think.
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Old October 23, 2016, 17:07   #33
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Aha! Thanks for that. TIL.

(It still sounds really weird and stilted. Do any of you native speakers also have this experience of the weirdness?)

EDIT: Hang on... shouldn't it be "approved this message"? Logically the unmodified phrase is really weird, I think.
I think to a native speaker it sounds a little bit old-fashioned or formal; "approve" in this sense is being used as a synonym of "endorse" or "support", and in modern English it probably would be more common to use one of those words instead. The reason that it's "approve" and not "approved" is that you're saying that your support of the message is ongoing, rather than just that you supported it at the time it was written but maybe you don't any more.

Basically, the reason you say "I approve this message" is the same as the reason you would say "I play Angband" and not either "I play with Angband" ("play with" is a related but slightly different thing from "play") or "I played Angband" (implies you did at one point in the past but maybe not now).
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Old October 23, 2016, 18:11   #34
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I think to a native speaker it sounds a little bit old-fashioned or formal; "approve" in this sense is being used as a synonym of "endorse" or "support", and in modern English it probably would be more common to use one of those words instead.....
Agreed with everything you said, except sounds "a little bit old-fashioned or formal" and "more common to use [synonym] instead". Especially during a Presidential Election year, at least in the US, we native speakers are inundated with political television advertisements ending with, e.g., "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message."

It's a near constant barrage right now.
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Old October 23, 2016, 18:20   #35
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Agreed with everything you said, except sounds "a little bit old-fashioned or formal" and "more common to use [synonym] instead". Especially during a Presidential Election year, at least in the US, we native speakers are inundated with political television advertisements ending with, e.g., "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message."

It's a near constant barrage right now.
Yeah, I meant more that it's fairly uncommon outside of that one specific usage. (Which I've picked up by osmosis from all the frequent parodies despite not being in the US.)
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Old October 23, 2016, 20:27   #36
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So?

You want an absolutely safe fight, and then you complain the grind is boring. That's on you.

Take some risks. The game is a lot more fun.

Here's a dump where I had base speed +16.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9556
Where did I ever complain of that? I don't recall it. I spend very little time grinding. But I don't ever stand in LoS of Morgoth at less than 30 speed if at all possible. If you love excitement so much, why not fight Morgoth with less than 600 total hit points (or whatever the value of mana storm is)? That would get your blood pumping.

There is overcautious, and there is just plain stupid. Allowing a Morgoth double move is pretty stupid in my book. But hey if you like to play that way, rock on bro.
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Old October 23, 2016, 20:51   #37
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Where did I ever complain of that? I don't recall it. I spend very little time grinding.
My apologies. I was responding to the totality of the thread, and chose quoting your post as the simplest way to do so. I should have removed your name, and I shouldn't have used the word "you" either.
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Old October 23, 2016, 22:12   #38
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PGiven that he won that game in 57k player moves, he is not actually given to stupid risks. Calculated risks are a very different thing. If you are saving your calculated risks for the final fight, you are doing very close to optimal play. Further note you can count turns so you will rarely actually be surprised by a double move. And extra shots archery almost completely eliminates the double moves
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Old October 24, 2016, 02:33   #39
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I don't ever stand in LoS of Morgoth at less than 30 speed if at all possible. If you love excitement so much, why not fight Morgoth with less than 600 total hit points (or whatever the value of mana storm is)? That would get your blood pumping.

There is overcautious, and there is just plain stupid. Allowing a Morgoth double move is pretty stupid in my book. But hey if you like to play that way, rock on bro.
I didn't want to address this before, for fear of diluting my apology. But now that we're past that ...

While manastorm has a max of 600, there is a range, and 600 is unlikely. I have killed M with fewer than 600 hp, more than once. Apparently I didn't bother to post a dump, probably because I typically play with modded code and I usually don't keep track of whether I savescum for debugging purposes. Truly, I did worry about having only 631 hp in my most impressive win, but I didn't resort to scumming for spawned or summoned monsters to get a better con ring even so.

Worrying about two manastorms on consecutive moves when you are at speed +29 is misguided. Sure, avoid it if you can, but it's not worth spending 2 hours real time scumming for a higher speed ring unless you are going for your first win. My guess is that you have taken significantly larger risks in every game you have won, much earlier on, perhaps without realizing it.

The biggest common mistake that is "just plain stupid" is being overcautious.

The game is more fun and just plain better when played the way I play.
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The game is more fun and just plain better when played the way I play.
For you. That's the great thing about angband: "there's more than one way to play." For me, investing time in a character only to lose in the finale because of not taking a simple precaution is not fun. Sure, I lose focus throughout the game and take risks and sometimes I die because of it sometimes. Total safety like LoS abuse and pillar dancing does get boring. But I bet you factor in things without knowing it, like distance as you mention. You have your minimums too, you probably just haven't enumerated them. Sure +29 is probably pretty safe, but how about +25? +20? +10? +0? At some point you too would say "well that's just a ridiculous risk." And everyone's point is different.
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