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Old September 9, 2017, 11:02   #1
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can we make identify more common ?

so, i'm CL27 with a warrior and DL34 and i still have not found a single scroll of identify.
mages and rogues have it as a spell, but paladins and priests need a dungeon book; and warriors are just shafted. my house is full of {??}.
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Old September 9, 2017, 11:12   #2
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Unless something has changed in the recent nightlies I find them to be reasonably common within a certain depth range but rare outside.
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Old September 9, 2017, 11:40   #3
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Warrior is indeed shafted. However, making the scroll any more common would simply make any id-by-use minigame obsolete.

With warrior, I go to greater length to try and use-id some runes than with other classes, so f.e. no wasting a scroll on a weapon that is most likely slay something rare like giants. Saving on id scrolls that way, I managed to get by for now.

You can always pick the "all runes are known" options of course, but if all of that is still unsatisfactory and the decree is to fix warrior, I would suggest a rod of identify (with similar parameters to rod of speed) rather than more common id-scrolls.

Edit: actually even better, make id scrolls more common at depth; this would be an unusual distribution for a cheap item like id scroll, but I suppose it could be done.
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Edit: actually even better, make id scrolls more common at depth; this would be an unusual distribution for a cheap item like id scroll, but I suppose it could be done.
Make them no longer cheap. Price them like stat potions.
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Old September 9, 2017, 13:11   #5
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Make them no longer cheap. Price them like stat potions.
Then you simply cant buy them early on, which would amount to losing about 1/3 to 1/2 of early id scrolls from my experience. So you would want to increase frequency accordingly, the end result of which might be the desired one - more identify for warriors at a stage where everyone else has the spell.
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Old September 9, 2017, 15:10   #6
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In any case, Sky's chosen playstyle is going to run into ID limits simply because they won't go where the scrolls are (i.e. deeper in the dungeon). Making scrolls common early would, as Estie notes, render the identification minigame obsolete.
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As for Sky´s immediate problem, no id scroll by that time is definitely an outlier and would be annoying for more classes than warriors only.

My suggestion is to see if you can id-by use some more of your stuff to get room in the house.

Things I do include walking around in town with cursed items equipped, hoping for some of the curses to id themselves, or carrying an unid swap weapon or 2 down to the dungeon to use on likely slay targets - in general, prefering to id items which are likely to have only 1 rune so I can discard them after iding.
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We used to have staves of Id, and they came with 5-8 charges. Id was common enough to find at DL1.
Thats not the case now, so imho they should be made a bit more common.

Maybe sell 1-4 occasionally at the Alchemist, for 666 gold, like kandrc said? Same frequency as potions of RLL (about 1/3 of the time).
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Sky don't you play with selling on? Just chuck a bunch of stuff in the stores and you'll soon have a heap of runes ided. Heck even with selling off this works. Plenty of weapons are obviously junk. Telepathy is obvious. Slay evil is obvious. Acid brand is obvious. Raw damage is obvious. For the stuff that is clearly junk you'll get a bunch of runes ided.
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We used to have staves of Id, and they came with 5-8 charges. Id was common enough to find at DL1.
Thats not the case now, so imho they should be made a bit more common.

Maybe sell 1-4 occasionally at the Alchemist, for 666 gold, like kandrc said? Same frequency as potions of RLL (about 1/3 of the time).
If you dont want to play the id-by-use game, simply set the option for known runes - why arent you doing that ?
Id is rarer than before because it does way more than before; if you id 1 armor of resistance, you have ided all of them that youll ever see, so clearly you dont need as much id anymore.
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