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Old April 27, 2019, 00:21   #11
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yes - i do not understand the question.

what's wrong with ' ? (i.e. target nearest?)

dont you 99% of the time want to target nearest? aren't the times where you do NOT want to target nearest so few and far between that you can be reasonably be expected to go to manual aiming ?
There are actually a lot of times I want to target something other than nearest, or fire when I don't have a visible target at all. Often it's more important to take out the death knight across the room before worrying about the hairy mold that's closer. I also recently killed a ring-wraith I wouldn't otherwise have been ready for because was blocked from moving into my line of sight (who knew uniques won't walk on lava?), but I could spam the wall next to him with orb of draining until the splash damage eventually killed him. Just for example.
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Old April 27, 2019, 00:37   #12
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yes - i do not understand the question.

what's wrong with ' ? (i.e. target nearest?)

dont you 99% of the time want to target nearest? aren't the times where you do NOT want to target nearest so few and far between that you can be reasonably be expected to go to manual aiming ?
TL;DR: Which of these actions do you do more often: target a specific monster, or aim in a cardinal direction? Then why should the first second be the default and the first one be hidden behind a keypress?
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Old April 27, 2019, 00:47   #13
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Because more common still ks to shoot at current target, whether or not it is nearer. You can do it by using 5 as the direction, which is 1 keystroke.
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Old April 27, 2019, 01:07   #14
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The topic of discussion here is how the '*' command should behave, not any of the other commands.
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Old April 27, 2019, 01:21   #15
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The * command already chooses the closest monster, then cycles through others. If you want to pick a direction, you need to force it. So I am really confused now.
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Old April 27, 2019, 10:05   #16
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I must suck at explaining things.

Setup: create a new character, a mage or necromancer, and learn magic missile / nether bolt. Make sure one or two townfolks are in sight, and press m, a, a.

Current behaviour: Is a monster targeted automatically? No, the game asks for a direction and you have to press * to start targeting monsters and cycle through them with the arrow keys. Otherwise, the arrow keys just fire a bolt in a cardinal direction, whether there's a monster there or not.

Proposal: A monster is targeted automatically. To shoot in a cardinal direction instead, you have to press *, or p, or whatever. (If you wish, you can think to my proposal as "the key * is inserted automatically after m,a,a")
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Old April 27, 2019, 20:15   #17
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Ah. Try using 5 instead of *. It works exactly as it should: use current target, or pick one if it hasn't been set. The problem is that it is under documented, not that it doesn't work. It really should show up in the targeting prompt.
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Old April 27, 2019, 23:14   #18
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Ah. Try using 5 instead of *. It works exactly as it should: use current target, or pick one if it hasn't been set. The problem is that it is under documented, not that it doesn't work. It really should show up in the targeting prompt.
This doesn't seem to work in current master. Maybe I broke it.
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Old April 28, 2019, 10:11   #19
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5 doesn't work in master for me either. In any case, I don't see how it would solve my problem.

Current state (assuming 5 works):

1. Bolt at previous target: m1a5 / m1a'
2. Bolt at new target when there is a previous target: m1a*<direction>t
3. Bolt at new target when there is no previous target: m1a5<direction>t / m1a*<direction>t
4. Bolt in a cardinal direction when there is a monster in sight: m1a<direction>
5. Bolt in a cardinal direction when there is no monster in sight: m1a<direction>

My proposal:
1. Bolt at previous target: m1at / m1a<space> / m1a5 / m1a'
2. Bolt at new target when there is a previous target: m1a<direction>t
3. Bolt at new target when there is no previous target: m1a<direction>t
4. Bolt in a cardinal direction when there is a monster in sight: m1a*<direction>
5. Bolt in a cardinal direction when there is no monster in sight: m1a*<direction> / m1a<direction>

You gain a keypress in 2 and 3, and lose one in 4, which seems far less common.
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oh i think its a good idea
Go away. I'm sick of having to report each of your posts.
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