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Old March 27, 2019, 13:43   #21
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Sorceror is a dangerous foe, but it is native to dl 40. You shouldn't see them very often at dl 35. You will see gravity hounds and dreads. (Though for some reason dreads are moved to dl 44 in the master branch. No idea why.)
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Old March 28, 2019, 08:36   #22
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So this guy is still alive, after the MOTHER of close calls from an ambush by Kavlax, the Many-headed and his damaging breaths.

Complete N00b’s Journey: Part 3-6

So I ended up taking the Rod of Recall in place of my scrolls, and proceeded to begin my fresh run to D:40. Back at D:33, I get to level 27 by dispatching a mage, ghost, and wolves. A chaos drake, disenchants my boots of Free Action before I can dispatch it in melee. I find a potion of Healing and use-id a staff of Confuse monsters and end up dropping the latter. Killing a shadow drake on the level yielded a Pink Potion that was a Potion of intelligence upon quaff-id’ing. I also found a supply of Cure Critical wounds there to stabilize my run and a ring of Ice [+8] in case I run into any cold-resistant monsters. Descent into D:34 saw me killing lots of orcs and trolls to get to level 28 and finding (and dropping) a Staff of Curing as well as wand of Teleport Other. I run into Shagrat, the Orc captain, who dropped a Partial Plate Armour of Resistance (-3) [40, +16] which was far too heavy for me to carry as my main armor. A fire hound there destroys my staff of teleportation, making the trip a lot more riskier. Khim, Son of Mim was also around to disenchant my shield, long bow, and boots of Free Action, before falling to melee. I finish off the level by read-id’ing a scroll of summon Undead. D:35 had nothing of note other than dark elven lords ruining my life and dropping nothing except a wand of Cold Balls. A dread there nearly ends my life and forces me to use one of my potions of Healing. On the flip side, I obtain a Potion of Wisdom and a better Ring of Strength upon its death. Another dread immediately greets me and luckily dies quickly before it casts nether bolts on me. Its death drop yields a Potion of Intelligence, which I happily quaff. Kiling a group of rangers yield nothing but an additional wand of Teleport Other. Another encounter with a chaos drake causes me to have my long bow completely disenchanted. I also read-id a scroll of *Destruction*, which causes me to lose an unidentified scroll. With no other items for me, I go to D:36, where I meet Lagduf, the Snaga and dispatch him, who drops the Dagger ‘Narthanc’ (2d4) (+9, +12) [+10] and wore down a colossus to get to level 29. I picked up a ring of Identify rune and learned that my unknown ring was a ring of bodykeeping. A mage and sorcerer get me to the low hitpoints, forcing me to quaff a potion of healing and teleport away the sorcerer. However, I was summoned to a sorcerer vault and was barely able to phase door out of the area. Upon killing the mages and apprentices that chose to lurk outside the vault, I find and quaff-id a potion of toughness that drains my intelligence. Not willing to risk losing my life to approaching sorcerer, I use my wands of Teleport Other to teleport them away and immediately decend to D:37 with a single potion of Healing in my inventory. It is there that I find a Rod of Magic Mapping and a Potion of Enlightenment that I quaff after clearing a hill orc pack. Unfortunately, Kavlax the Many-Headed decided to show up and stun me with his powerful breaths. I was barely able to teleport Other him out safely and was forced to use my Teleport Other wands towards a load of incoming monsters, having used my remaining potion of Healing to recover from the first breath. Luckily, Recall kicked in before I died to surrounding monsters. That was pretty damn close. Note to self: Always have *scrolls* of teleportation as an escape route. Once safely back at the town, I buy 5 potions of Cure Serious Wounds, 2 potions of Cure Critical Wounds, 4 scrolls of recharging (one to recharge my staff of detect Evil), and a fresh staff of Teleportation. I then decided to switch to my Crossbow of Accuracy and get the best bolts that I have for the next dive.

Is it better to have two Staves of Teleportation, or is one generally enough (and I just got unlucky)? The same goes for staves of Detect Evil and wands of Teleport Other.

What do you think the general strategy is here with regard to diving for the character? I REALLY felt that I was pushing my luck on D:37, so I feel that I can’t go too much deeper until I get a better strength score.

Which artifact weapons are worth keeping/wielding? I have stored several artifact weapons in my home that I can pull out for use when I have a better strength score and thus more blows.

Is it worth ditching my artifact armor to put on a non-artifact body armor that grants resistance to all four elements? I found several in the dungeons, but left them all behind thinking they were inferior. Is that bad reasoning?

I have updated Anwe’s status on the ladder and welcome answers to the above questions and other tips.
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Old March 28, 2019, 09:27   #23
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Hold on to Narthanc for when you start getting multiple blows. (Your character has such low sttength, so it probably doesn't get enough now to beat a heavier weapon.)
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Old March 28, 2019, 13:03   #24
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Is it better to have two Staves of Teleportation, or is one generally enough (and I just got unlucky)? The same goes for staves of Detect Evil and wands of Teleport Other.
I like to have 3x _teleport! (assuming I can carry them). Detect Evil it's better to have a spare, though they are common on the ground & you can recall if you suddenly need detect evil, that's harder if you suddenly need teleport.

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What do you think the general strategy is here with regard to diving for the character? I REALLY felt that I was pushing my luck on D:37, so I feel that I can’t go too much deeper until I get a better strength score.
You can survive much much deeper, but that means a strategy of constant detect & avoid, looking for soft targets. Warriors aren't setup the best for it (bad stealth/bad device/no detection spells) but it mostly comes down to how you like to play the game.

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Is it worth ditching my artifact armor to put on a non-artifact body armor that grants resistance to all four elements? I found several in the dungeons, but left them all behind thinking they were inferior. Is that bad reasoning?
Which do you want to die from: cold or poison?
You'll probably find a shield with base resist soon but if you find a ring with rpoison 1st it'll be worth changing.

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Hold on to Narthanc for when you start getting multiple blows. (Your character has such low sttength, so it probably doesn't get enough now to beat a heavier weapon.)
Yeah but by that time Haradekket will do even more. I don't see Narthanc beating Haradekket (or Forasgil for that matter), but could be wrong.
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Old March 28, 2019, 13:08   #25
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Oh, missed that. Yeah, Harradeket is a great weapon, and will most likely beat Forasgil (as well Narthanc.) Ditch the dagger, and Forasgil if you need space.
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Old March 28, 2019, 14:16   #26
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What do you think the general strategy is here with regard to diving for the character? I REALLY felt that I was pushing my luck on D:37, so I feel that I can’t go too much deeper until I get a better strength score.
I agree 100% --- too many close calls here. Even if you are still alive, you are depleting your consumables to survive at this depth (!healing, -teleother, !ccw). Time to back up a little and look for stat potions and a better kit. A shield of resistance would help filling your holes. A second ring of strength may be a good idea, but see how it works for you.
The best find at this point would be an item granting telepathy, which would solve your detection problems and greatly improve your survivability, or some source of speed (you can't use Totila without seriously crippling your damage output).
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Old March 28, 2019, 14:30   #27
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With low str I carry only 1 staff of teleport. Also, its either staff or scrolls (of teleportation), not both - staff if you lack either rblind or rconf. Instead of doubling up on one feature, you can use that slot for something else like a scroll of banishment or a stack of berserk potions.

Poison and base are both essential resists; with a warrior who goes toe to toe, I would prefer poison given the choice. Whatever you do, hold onto that armor of yours, as having access to rpoison from multiple (non-ring-) slots gives you flexibility with your other gear.

Guessing from your tale, you play far too risky. If you want to dive deeper, the standard procedure should not involve exploring levels. As you arrive on a new level, treat the staircase as point of reference and only make one small foray into nearby territory; if you find nothing of interest, instead of going further away, return to the stairs and change level to repeat the procedure. If you teleport on every level you enter, youre doing something seriously wrong.

Naturally you detect before running around, and if anything looks like trouble, skip the level entiely and use the stairs. Kavlax on radar should prompt an immediate retreat unless there is some other very good reason that makes you want to stay, like a MHDSM in sight.

Trouble doesnt necessarily mean life threatening - for example, too many trolls which would take a long time to deal with, or a pack of unpleasant hounds is enough to warrant a retreat. Generally speaking, short stays make for long life.
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Old March 28, 2019, 15:02   #28
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I agree with Estie...mostly. If you want to get diving practice, I strongly recommend high-elf rogue. You are sure to have good enough INT Aand mana to cast reveal monsters by CL 30, and you get full object detection around dl 20 (when the fail rate drops low enough.) Plus, you get great stealth and guaranteed SI.

Finally you *must* dive, because high elf (prior to v 4.3) needs a ton of EXP to level up.
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Old March 29, 2019, 00:10   #29
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Okay, so I decided to get to D:40 and camp out there to try to get some stat potions and other necessities. After some stairdancing to reload the level, I managed to get another artifact weapon and raise my strength a tiny bit, but the resulting load mandated that I recall out of the dungeon before starting another fresh run, as well as a slight shortage of Cure X wounds potions.

Complete Noob’s Journey: Part 3-7

Alright, so I went down with only one staff of teleportation that had 8 charges, bought 10 potions of Cure Light Wounds to make up for the shortage of better healing potions, and Recalled down to D:37 begin my fresh run. I decided to get to D:40 with this recent run to try to generate potions of Augmentation, but I resolved not to explore far beyond the stairs to do so. My initial run saw me dealing with a spirit naga, umber hulk, killer slicer beetle, and a smoke elemental to make it past a dangerous room containing lots of sleeping animals. The way to the down stairs was blocked by cave trolls, who easily went down to melee attacks and took me to level 30. D:38 was a short trip where I picked up a supply of Cure Critical Wounds potions before going downstairs to avoid some dangerous uniques there. D:39 had a room full of muchrooms, most of which were useless to carry. I also found, use-id’d, and dropped a rod of polymorph in that level and killed a group of snagas. Having eaten a mushroom of Second Sight and with no other useful nearby items found, I quickly took the downstairs to D:40 and hoped that I could acquire potions of Augmentation there. D:40 had no nearby items upon zapping my rod of Treasure Location and a nearby downstairs staircase, so I went down to D:41 after killing a pukelman. A minotaur on D:41 forced me to go back upstairs to D:40, which took me in the middle of an ogre vault. Keeping the stairs very close by, I take out the ogres and find a stack of unknown scrolls that turn out to be Summon Monster. Not seeing any nearby objects from the rod of treasure location, other than a Second rod of Magic Mapping, I descend back to D:41, where I slay a mature green dragon for gold and again find nothing of interest nearby. My third visit to D:40 yielded nothing of note, though I had a brief run-in with Uvatha the Horseman that necessitated a zap of Teleport Other wand and a descent back to D:41. This generation also yielded nothing of note, forcing me to continue repeating the ascent-descent cycle between D:40 and D:41 several more times. Notable events is dealing with a bunch of Ologs that force to use my supply of Cure Serious Wounds to deal with them, finding a Steel Helm to replace my corroded Leather Cap of wisdom from a gelatinous cube encounter, falling through a trap door to the middle of D:41 and dealing with a mature black dragon and Medusa the Gorgon, the first of which damaged my leather shield of Resist Lightning and the other being zapped away from the level with a wand of Teleport Other for Safety, and dispatching Lugdush, the Uruk on D:40 as well as his orcish retinue and a group of ghouls, none of which dropped anything worthwhile. Potions that I happen to quaff-id include potions of Intellect, Nimbleness (which drained my strength ), and Augmentation () and I also find the Beaked Axe of Hurin (3d6) (+12, +15) <+2 STR, +2 CON, +1 Light>. I get to level 31 by killing a balance drake, a shardstorm, and a group of barrow wights, and finally quaff-id a Potion of Strength and a Hard Leather Armour of Resistance in my last go-around of D:40. Being weighted down with the extra armor, I decide to Recall to drop off some things at my home, and buy 10 more potions of Cure Light Wounds, since there were no stronger potions for sale in any of the stores.

How useful is a staff of power and a Rod of Teleport Other? Both are available at the Black Market.

Is the plan to stay at D:40 and D:41 until I gain (at least) two more points in strength valid? Or should I go to a different level to maximize results? Which items should I look for before going deeper, and which dungeon levels are the most likely to have them? Specifically, confusion and blindness resistance are the two big holes in my current character, and I’m not sure how exactly to address them.

What do you think is the most suitable equipment setup for this next dive, out of my current inventory, equipment, and home stash?
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Old March 29, 2019, 00:38   #30
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Uvatha has no disrance attacks. He is a trivial target with a good bow and a huge stack of ?PD.
Also, I see you are carrying a Ring of Acid as well as Fire. The former is useless. Acid just doesn't do much damage, since armor cuts it in half. OTOH, fire and cold grant double resist against some early ancient dragon uniques (Smaug, etc), and there are a ton of horrid fire breathers around DL 40. (Hell hounds, for example.)
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