Class/magic feature branch

[PowerWyrm]

Any reason to play a plain Warrior with this branch? I've played Blackguard and Paladin during the last comp and I don't seen any reason to play a Warrior again seeing how better these two classes are now.

[geoff_tewierik]

Originally Posted by PowerWyrm

Any reason to play a plain Warrior with this branch? I've played Blackguard and Paladin during the last comp and I don't seen any reason to play a Warrior again seeing how better these two classes are now.

Give them the option to dual wield weapons? I recall this being a thing in the past in a variant?

[Nick]

Originally Posted by PowerWyrm

Any reason to play a plain Warrior with this branch? I've played Blackguard and Paladin during the last comp and I don't seen any reason to play a Warrior again seeing how better these two classes are now.

I wouldn't regard this branch as finished yet.

[Derakon]

Originally Posted by geoff_tewierik

Give them the option to dual wield weapons? I recall this being a thing in the past in a variant?

I've always found dual-wielding to be pretty silly, so personally I would prefer some other means of differentiation. Plus, the game gets awfully easy once you're dealing more than a certain percentage of your enemies' HP in damage per turn, so boosting offense is something to be done with care.

[Pete Mack]

At the very least, bring back the extra attack (and reduce max blows to 5.) The 6th blow is currently a mirage for HT and Dwarf, and isn't easy to get with many endgame weapons for other races.

[Derakon]

Originally Posted by Pete Mack

At the very least, bring back the extra attack (and reduce max blows to 5.) The 6th blow is currently a mirage for HT and Dwarf, and isn't easy to get with many endgame weapons for other races.

To reiterate a suggestion I made awhile back: give everyone the same blows formula, but penalize mages and priests 1 blow (to a minimum of 1/round), and give warriors a flat +1 blow starting from level 20 or 25 or something. Thus the pure casters would need to work extra hard to get their second blow/round since they'd have to get to where the formula is outputting 3 blows; meanwhile, warriors get max blows as easily as everyone else does, their max is just better.

[Carnivean]

Originally Posted by Derakon

I've always found dual-wielding to be pretty silly, so personally I would prefer some other means of differentiation. Plus, the game gets awfully easy once you're dealing more than a certain percentage of your enemies' HP in damage per turn, so boosting offense is something to be done with care.

Does it work better when you have to choose between a second weapon and a shield? Especially if you start making AC more relevant.

[Huqhox]

Originally Posted by Derakon

To reiterate a suggestion I made awhile back: give everyone the same blows formula, but penalize mages and priests 1 blow (to a minimum of 1/round), and give warriors a flat +1 blow starting from level 20 or 25 or something. Thus the pure casters would need to work extra hard to get their second blow/round since they'd have to get to where the formula is outputting 3 blows; meanwhile, warriors get max blows as easily as everyone else does, their max is just better.

This sounds good to me

[Pete Mack]

If you cut blows by one,
1. what does it do to +blows weapons?
2. Multiplier may need adjusting, since full casters are already pretty strongly penalized here.

[Derakon]

Originally Posted by Carnivean

Does it work better when you have to choose between a second weapon and a shield? Especially if you start making AC more relevant.

I have never seen a game where a shield was worth more than increasing your damage output by 50% or more. Plenty have tried, none have succeeded.

Originally Posted by Pete Mack

If you cut blows by one,
1. what does it do to +blows weapons?
2. Multiplier may need adjusting, since full casters are already pretty strongly penalized here.

1. I guess +blows would need to apply after the -1 blow from being a pure caster.
2. Multiplier would be the same for all characters, just where the formula outputs 3 a pure caster would get 2 and a warrior (once high-enough level) would get 4.