3.5 bug - off-weapon brands

MattB · October 25, 2014, 11:20

I'll admit this is a bit of an edge case, but irritating nonetheless:

My current character has no melee weapon, and is only allowed to do any kind of damage with his fists.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=16732&ok

I found a randart that said 'It brands your melee attacks with weak flames'. I was devastated to find it did nothing of the sort. Quite apart from the much-needed damage increase, I rather fancied having fists of fire.

My point is, if it's not going to add a brand to an unarmed attack, it should say that 'it brands your melee weapon with weak flames'.

Derakon · October 25, 2014, 17:33

That is a shame, and sounds to me like a bug that ought to be fixed. Though, since fists are 1d1 weapons, a weak flamebrand would only give you +1 damage against susceptible enemies, so you aren't missing out on much.

debo · October 25, 2014, 18:17

Alternately, we could just make it impossible to attack unless you're wielding a weapon. I don't see why you would ever want to maintain a separate code path for weaponless fighting unless the combat system had been even marginally balanced around it.

MattB · October 25, 2014, 19:56

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Originally Posted by debo

Alternately, we could just make it impossible to attack unless you're wielding a weapon.

What, and deprive me of all the 'fun' I'm having?

Derakon · October 25, 2014, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by debo

Alternately, we could just make it impossible to attack unless you're wielding a weapon. I don't see why you would ever want to maintain a separate code path for weaponless fighting unless the combat system had been even marginally balanced around it.

All that needs to be done really is to have a virtual 1d1 (+0,+0) weapon that's auto-equipped when you have no other weapon equipped. It'd be a bit hacky, but I expect it could be made to work without requiring any special code paths except for where items are equipped/de-equipped.

Narvius · October 28, 2014, 17:13

To be honest, I think that's sorta dangerous. Inb4 enchanting fists (which might end up being possible despite the weapon being invisible on the UI), selling them, or other stuff like that.

Well, still a good idea if done cautiously.

MattB · October 25, 2014, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Derakon

since fists are 1d1 weapons, a weak flamebrand would only give you +1 damage against susceptible enemies, so you aren't missing out on much.

[embarassed cough] Oh yeah. Still would have been cool though.

October 25, 2014, 11:20	#1
MattB Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Berkshire, UK Posts: 1,214	3.5 bug - off-weapon brands I'll admit this is a bit of an edge case, but irritating nonetheless: My current character has no melee weapon, and is only allowed to do any kind of damage with his fists. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=16732&ok I found a randart that said 'It brands your melee attacks with weak flames'. I was devastated to find it did nothing of the sort. Quite apart from the much-needed damage increase, I rather fancied having fists of fire. My point is, if it's not going to add a brand to an unarmed attack, it should say that 'it brands your melee weapon with weak flames'. Last edited by MattB; October 25, 2014 at 19:54.

October 25, 2014, 18:17	#3
debo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,400	Alternately, we could just make it impossible to attack unless you're wielding a weapon. I don't see why you would ever want to maintain a separate code path for weaponless fighting unless the combat system had been even marginally balanced around it. __________________ Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

October 28, 2014, 17:13	#6
Narvius Knight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Poland, Katowice Age: 30 Posts: 589	To be honest, I think that's sorta dangerous. Inb4 enchanting fists (which might end up being possible despite the weapon being invisible on the UI), selling them, or other stuff like that. Well, still a good idea if done cautiously. __________________ If you can convincingly pretend you're crazy, you probably are.

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October 25, 2014, 17:33	#2
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,022	That is a shame, and sounds to me like a bug that ought to be fixed. Though, since fists are 1d1 weapons, a weak flamebrand would only give you +1 damage against susceptible enemies, so you aren't missing out on much.

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