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Old April 28, 2010, 05:02   #11
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DL 68 is a lousy place to hang out. Tenser's is native to dl 70, and speed rings to dl 75. Since drops are determined by max(mon_level, depth), you can get a lot more good stuff at dl 75 or 80, but it's not any more dangerous than dl 68.

And you need speed pretty badly. You can't mess around at that kind of depth at speed < 10 for very long.
Yeah I hear you on the speed. But I keep myself buffed with speed most of the time. I'm trying to get lower but I end up having to run from stuff. But I'll make it ...I hope. I'm pretty much just trying to get to the stairs.
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Old April 28, 2010, 06:12   #12
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Yeah I hear you on the speed. But I keep myself buffed with speed most of the time. I'm trying to get lower but I end up having to run from stuff. But I'll make it ...I hope. I'm pretty much just trying to get to the stairs.
You have Superb stealth and Mordy's escapes at cl 44 and INT 18/170. Why are you worrying about getting to the stairs? If you don't detect stairs in easy walking distance, just bore a hole down 7 levels.

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Old April 28, 2010, 06:56   #13
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You have Superb stealth and Mordy's escapes at cl 44 and INT 18/170. Why are you worrying about getting to the stairs? If you don't detect stairs in easy walking distance, just bore a hole down 7 levels.
How do I bore a hole down 7 levels? I'd love to do that!

As for worries about the stairs, well I had 3 great Ice Wyrms on my ass at the same time! Honestly I might have taken them since they can't do that much damage if you are buffed...but that thinking gets people killed. I have 2 healing,2*healing* and two potions of life....now I just need some more speed damn it! I can see how speed just makes your character a killer. Sure buffing is nice but I'd love to at least get up to 20 without buffing...it would make most of the other uniques a cakewalk. That and a few runes of protection. Gotta love that Rune of Protection.
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Old April 28, 2010, 07:23   #14
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How do I bore a hole down 7 levels? I'd love to do that!
Repeatedly cast "create stairs" until you get one heading down. Go down. Repeat.

For some reason, that seems too easy to me. I prefer to restrict myself to hunting for stairs or casting teleport level.
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Old April 28, 2010, 07:45   #15
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Repeatedly cast "create stairs" until you get one heading down. Go down. Repeat.

For some reason, that seems too easy to me. I prefer to restrict myself to hunting for stairs or casting teleport level.
Now I feel like a dumbass. See the first few times I tried to create stairs I'd only get them going up...so I thought that that was the only direction that they went in. However sometimes it seems worth it to get a few easy kills to get some healing potions or arrows of seeking.

But this is the first character that I've been able to get so deep. I know you believe in diving at all cost, but you also probably can pull off the pillar dancing and you have a good idea of what each weapon does damagewise. So for me I have to do baby steps for now.
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Old April 28, 2010, 08:29   #16
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How do I bore a hole down 7 levels? I'd love to do that!

As for worries about the stairs, well I had 3 great Ice Wyrms on my ass at the same time! Honestly I might have taken them since they can't do that much damage if you are buffed...but that thinking gets people killed. I have 2 healing,2*healing* and two potions of life....now I just need some more speed damn it! I can see how speed just makes your character a killer. Sure buffing is nice but I'd love to at least get up to 20 without buffing...it would make most of the other uniques a cakewalk. That and a few runes of protection. Gotta love that Rune of Protection.
You are still missing a critical aspect of the game: if you don't like your current prospects, change them.
* Can't fight 3 Ice Wyrms in a row, even with full buffing and double cold resistance?
Teleport the first two (or one) away, and kill the remaining one (or two).
* OR go find Tenser's(!) and annihilate them all with branded ammo. (For a cl 40+ ranger, 3 Ice Wyrms shouldn't be more than a minor speed bump.)
* Too many monsters in LOS, or too many summons at a time? *Destruct* the area first, and reduce LOS to a few squares.
* Can't find the stairs to speed ring depth? Create your own stairs down.
* Aren't playing a Mage 'caster? Destruct*/teleport everything between you and the stairs, or "Alter Reality" until you get stairs in walking distance.

Finally: healing potions of all 3 types are not all that common. Try to avoid using them unless you are fighting a high-value unique. Rangers should be able to kill anything with < 3000 HP before they do significant (>400HP) damage. Save the healing for when you really need it.
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Old April 28, 2010, 09:01   #17
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You are still missing a critical aspect of the game: if you don't like your current prospects, change them.
* Can't fight 3 Ice Wyrms in a row, even with full buffing and double cold resistance?
Teleport the first two (or one) away, and kill the remaining one (or two).
* OR go find Tenser's(!) and annihilate them all with branded ammo. (For a cl 40+ ranger, 3 Ice Wyrms shouldn't be more than a minor speed bump.)
* Too many monsters in LOS, or too many summons at a time? *Destruct* the area first, and reduce LOS to a few squares.
* Can't find the stairs to speed ring depth? Create your own stairs down.
* Aren't playing a Mage 'caster? Destruct*/teleport everything between you and the stairs, or "Alter Reality" until you get stairs in walking distance.

Finally: healing potions of all 3 types are not all that common. Try to avoid using them unless you are fighting a high-value unique. Rangers should be able to kill anything with < 3000 HP before they do significant (>400HP) damage. Save the healing for when you really need it.
Thank you, that is some good advice. I generally don't use the healing potions unless I'm in danger. But it is nice having them around : ) I need that Alter reality...but I guess that is in Tensers. I'm down to lvl 73 now so it shouldn't be too long. But again you do bring up a good point about changing things to your advantage. No one has really put it that way before.
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Repeatedly cast "create stairs" until you get one heading down. Go down. Repeat.

For some reason, that seems too easy to me. I prefer to restrict myself to hunting for stairs or casting teleport level.
I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't be opposed to any of the following (as a fix)...
1. making it a high failure rate spell, even for high-level pure casters.
2. create stairs somewhere on the current level (better if the RNG could place the new stairs away from existing stairs).
3. creating up stairs a vast majority (80%) of the time.
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I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't be opposed to any of the following (as a fix)...
1. making it a high failure rate spell, even for high-level pure casters.
2. create stairs somewhere on the current level (better if the RNG could place the new stairs away from existing stairs).
3. creating up stairs a vast majority (80%) of the time.
How about restrict it to rogues only? Seems to fit there.
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Okay so now I'm on level 81, I've had to avoid a bunch of uniques. Hell I even had to teleport away from a lesser titan after it summoned a s%i@ load of Dreads on me. I was in the middle of making an ASC when this happen. In fact that Rune of Protection that I did manage to create probably helped me make a smooth escape.

It still can't seem to find a speed ring or Tensers. I've been attacking everything that I can handle and actually drops good stuff like Archliches and AMHD's but to no avail. I don't know if I should go deeper at this point, because while it seems like everywhere is dangerous it also seems like I might have a better chance of getting some speed. But on the other hand I feel like its almost safer for me to go deeper...

What does everyone think? Also who(what) should I be trying to kill for good drops at that depth?

Thanks for all of the great advice so far!

Here is my character:http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10133
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