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Old June 15, 2011, 20:43   #1
Bahman Rabii
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No Sell - I am convinced

After some heartfelt recommendations, I decided to try it out. Huge win. You can forget how much pain there is with managing inventory just for stuff to sell. And it gets rid of one more reason to have lots of useless items drop.

One small complaint - I understand the principle of starting no sell characters with gold and no gear, but I don't like it in practice. It slows down the start, and it leads to annoying situations (e.g. my priest who is down to 800' and still has not seen the first spellbook for sale or in the dungeon).
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Old June 15, 2011, 20:59   #2
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One small complaint - I understand the principle of starting no sell characters with gold and no gear, but I don't like it in practice. It slows down the start, and it leads to annoying situations (e.g. my priest who is down to 800' and still has not seen the first spellbook for sale or in the dungeon).
I agree, since no_selling might well become one of the standard ways of playing, it should be as easy and usable as possible.
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Old June 15, 2011, 20:59   #3
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The first spellbook wasn't for sale in the temple? That shouldn't happen. Sounds like the allocation rules in store.txt need to be tweaked to increase the number of basic spellbooks.

Some players may prefer to start with no armor and more consumables, or with a different weapon, or skip a bow when they're playing as a ranger. With selling, you can sell your starting gear and buy what you like; that's obviously not possible with no-selling, hence the change. If you have a better idea for how to start out no-selling, feel free to make your case.
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Old June 15, 2011, 21:01   #4
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I agree totally. Whenever I start a game I have a 50% chance of killing the poor character by forgetting to buy a light source and/or food and/or recall.
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Old June 16, 2011, 06:15   #5
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I agree totally. Whenever I start a game I have a 50% chance of killing the poor character by forgetting to buy a light source and/or food and/or recall.
My last warrior actually started without food or lightsource. I was so delighted to find out that I can afford xbow that I forgot to buy torches. Disconnected stairs of course. Made first level .... interesting. Good thing that darkness doesn't prevent infravision from working.
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Old June 16, 2011, 07:08   #6
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I've been trying no-selling with my current character and I have to agree, it's a lot of fun.
dos350, don't knock it till you try it.

There are only two annoyances (?) with it.
1) It's a bit annoying when there is something in the BM that I could buy if I could sell stuff.
2) Playing a dwarf priest, I kind of feel like I need to dig out all the treasure now. This slows me down and I also kind of want a 'stop running when you detect treasure' option.




As far as default starting gear, I have a simple suggestion:

When the character goes down the first down staircase, save their current starting gear as the 'start gear'. The next time they create a character, ask if they want to use their previous start set.

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Old June 16, 2011, 08:03   #7
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I think really need to start with an initial equipment to avoid the situation start with gnome mage and go buy a book from the Magic Shop, but the entrance waiting Battle-scarred veteran ...

Sorry for my bad english.
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Old June 16, 2011, 12:46   #8
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eeeeeee, please no rage but u dont hav to sell in normal play, lol~!

once u get a little far into the game , usually one will hav hundreds of thousands of gold anyway,..........

all this hooballa about the start equip, lol???

im still not wanting to try no selling~!
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Old June 16, 2011, 14:58   #9
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dos350, it's really worth a try! Not selling anything with regular birth settings sets you at a serious disadvantage compared to normal, while no_sell eliminates that disadvantage while retaining the better gameplay that comes out of it. Out of curiosity, do you really enjoy vacuuming the dungeon for junk to sell that much? You can get the same monetary benefits without having to clog your inventory constantly with no_sell on. Just so you know, you *can* still sell things for sell ID, you just won't get any gold out of it, if that's your concern.
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Old June 16, 2011, 17:31   #10
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you seem to not understand me,

you sell til u are really wealthy, then never need to "vacuum blah blah"

please no rage~!

and even before that stage, some items are worth so much and i hav found piles of gold of like 16k , normal selling~!~! so i dont see point, at all~!!!~!~
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