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Old August 11, 2007, 01:05   #21
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Ah-ha! After 14 years of play, and still feeling like a poor player, I think we have it!
Basically, I kind of sense that 14 years without a win irritates you somewhat? I have a queer feelinmg that you don't play at light speed, but that you don't really slow down during critical encounters either. Stop me if I'm wrong.
Fairly accurate I start slowly but then become over confident and start charging round like a luney, take on things I really know I shouldn't and refuse to run even when I know I'm going to die.
Have won but not without backing up the save file, this year is the first year I've tried without for a very long time and I'm heading for my 50th @.

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Hope this doesn't sound too lecture-like, I'm basically trying to help you out.
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This is sooo the wrong thread for this pst, too....
Yeh we seem to have gone of on a wild tangent.
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Old August 11, 2007, 01:43   #22
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Fairly accurate I start slowly but then become over confident and start charging round like a luney, take on things I really know I shouldn't and refuse to run even when I know I'm going to die.
Have won but not without backing up the save file, this year is the first year I've tried without for a very long time and I'm heading for my 50th @.
I've been playing much shorter than that. I just tend to dive like crazy and die from not running away from the monsters much more likely to kill me than I am to kill them. (Normally because by the time I realise I'm about to die, I've run out of teleport/CCW/whatever.)

It's a good way to notch down your confidence; just keep diving whenever you feel you might be able to manage the current level.
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Old August 11, 2007, 15:30   #23
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I've been playing much shorter than that. I just tend to dive like crazy and die from not running away from the monsters much more likely to kill me than I am to kill them.
I'm not dissimilar, TBH - I tend to die because I can't let go of a prize. I love the battles where I almost die, because I feel alive... I'm smart enough to use my items, and use them effectively, its just that I tend not to recall if I've nearly killed that unique or almost cracked that vault. I take adversity as a personal challenge.

Survival is the real prize though, but I have to say I'm getting much better at accepting big sacrifices over the ultimate one these days. Again, Ironman mode can teach you much about this. I'm consistently getting deeper and to higher clevs than in standard play, although you could put this down to less keystrokes means less chance of dying from idiocy.

I won with a ranger about a year ago, no cheating, just lots of patience. I dived slowly, and didn't find myself in too many situations like I mentioned above. I really have lost that zen touch it seems, besides, I like to dive - the first 1000' are dull! I rarely get beyond 2500' now, mind.

@faust: what depths are you reaching? I think if you invested in a little patience, you might find that less time hitting buttons is worth it when you start making consistent improvement. Glad my drunken rant last nite didn't offend you; OMG my spelling!

Way, way off topic...

EDIT - I'd best point out that my win was in standard mode, I suspect endgame may be extremely tricky in ironman without some serious intervention from the RNG.
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Survival is the real prize though, but I have to say I'm getting much better at accepting big sacrifices over the ultimate one these days. Again, Ironman mode can teach you much about this. I'm consistently getting deeper and to higher clevs than in standard play, although you could put this down to less keystrokes means less chance of dying from idiocy.
Ironman teaches you a lot of things, including tactics for avoiding needing so many CSW/CCW (when fighting orcs, get into a corridor, sleep one, and rest until he wakes up, repeat), how to do long dungeon dives before needing to come up for air, and how ID isn't quite as necessary as you thought it was before (at least before egos start showing up). And that's just from a couple of games yesterday.
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Ironman teaches you a lot of things, including tactics for avoiding needing so many CSW/CCW (when fighting orcs, get into a corridor, sleep one, and rest until he wakes up, repeat), how to do long dungeon dives before needing to come up for air, and how ID isn't quite as necessary as you thought it was before (at least before egos start showing up). And that's just from a couple of games yesterday.
Intense ain't it? It's unbelievable how phenomally useful relatively mundane items become, like rods of light. Its also nice to have an excuse to use the status wands.

Then there's really clever/sad stuff too, like leaving the gold on the floor (you can't spend it!) to alert you when Smeagol is creeping near. He's extra annoying, but even more satisfying to slay.
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@faust: what depths are you reaching? I think if you invested in a little patience, you might find that less time hitting buttons is worth it when you start making consistent improvement. Glad my drunken rant last nite didn't offend you; OMG my spelling!
Normally don't get much beyond 1200ft, paitence isn't it, it's stubbornness (i'm a taurus). Glad i'm not the only one who was drunk (entire bottle of sherry to myself.) my grammer sucks too.
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Intense ain't it? It's unbelievable how phenomally useful relatively mundane items become, like rods of light. Its also nice to have an excuse to use the status wands.

Then there's really clever/sad stuff too, like leaving the gold on the floor (you can't spend it!) to alert you when Smeagol is creeping near. He's extra annoying, but even more satisfying to slay.
I was playing a High-Elf, who get SInvis, so Smeagol wasn't an issue for me. Figured the XP penalty was worth it, given that I'd get much more stuff for my money at the beginning of the day due to naturally high CHR. Odd that I'd never considered playing an ironman char properly before, but glad I did/am.

Of course, one can argue that since I tweak the game as I go along, I'm not playing the same ironman as everyone else.
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