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Old June 1, 2013, 00:50   #11
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The big difficulty with secret doors is that they can get newbies stuck.
So is there an argument for an in-game message about the shift-s command?
(I only found it by accident and until today I wasn't sure what it did).
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Old June 1, 2013, 01:03   #12
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As in, "You are now carefully searching your surroundings with every step" when you activate it? That would be useful, yes...

edit: and of course some sort of deactivation message too, such as "You stop searching your surroundings so carefully."
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Old June 1, 2013, 01:05   #13
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There's already a help page on keyboard commands that lists every single command that exists.

Pretty much no one should ever use search mode. Doing that will get you in trouble. It's just included for historical reasons.
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As in, "You are now carefully searching your surroundings with every step" when you activate it? That would be useful, yes...
I was thinking of a shopkeeper message, such as "If you can't find a way out of a level, search as you go by pressing Shift-s", but yeah, what you said too.
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Old June 1, 2013, 01:08   #15
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Pretty much no one should ever use search mode. Doing that will get you in trouble. It's just included for historical reasons.
Please explain?
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Old June 1, 2013, 01:46   #16
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The more time you spend on a level, the more monsters there'll be, and most of 'em will be awake too. Spending time searching isn't necessarily going to be fatal but it is time wasted to little productive end.
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Old June 1, 2013, 02:12   #17
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The more time you spend on a level, the more monsters there'll be, and most of 'em will be awake too. Spending time searching isn't necessarily going to be fatal but it is time wasted to little productive end.
Well, I get that and fair enough.
However, we were talking about the 'Stuck Newbie Conundrum' and, in that respect, the shift-s command is useful. Many's the time a low-level character of mine has found himself on a two room level and has had to run around the known periphery searching for a door every couple of moves. Shift-s certainly lessens the tedium in these situations.

(Providing you remember to turn it off, of course).

Given that, I was wondering why it was considered to be 'included solely for historical reasons?'.
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Well, I get that and fair enough.
However, we were talking about the 'Stuck Newbie Conundrum' and, in that respect, the shift-s command is useful. Many's the time a low-level character of mine has found himself on a two room level and has had to run around the known periphery searching for a door every couple of moves. Shift-s certainly lessens the tedium in these situations.
I guess what you call "tedium" I call "playing the game". If someone really can't stand pressing "s" to search for doors then maybe this game isn't for them.
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I guess what you call "tedium" I call "playing the game". If someone really can't stand pressing "s" to search for doors then maybe this game isn't for them.
Shift-s... has a minor place in the the super early game.. but after that... it is almost completetly negligible.
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I guess what you call "tedium" I call "playing the game". If someone really can't stand pressing "s" to search for doors then maybe this game isn't for them.
Yes, maybe you're right - this game just isn't for me because I like to save unnecessary key strokes.
Here are a couple of examples that prove your point. I find repeatedly typing <m1g> quite tedious, so to save time I [drops to hushed whisper] map it to <Z>! And what's more, sometimes, instead of typing <fn'>, [whisper now nearly inaudible] I just press the 'h' key!

Yes, you're quite right. I should give up this game because it's just not for me and go back to playing Elite.

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