4.0.5 -- can I macro dagger throwing?

Qyx · July 28, 2017, 22:09

I feel like I've forgotten something. I tried inscribing my dagger with @v1, but then if I v1, I'm throwing my arrow. Then I tried v/1, but it didn't recognize the dagger. Is there any way I can put Narthanc to use?

Derakon · July 28, 2017, 22:23

I don't know why your macro isn't working, but it's probably something to do with the quiver.

In any case, throwing things for damage is generally not very effective in Vanilla. It'd be roughly equivalent to making a single blow in melee with the dagger. Once you have a better melee weapon, the 'thancs are really just meant to be discarded.

Qyx · July 28, 2017, 23:25

Yeah, I suppose it's kind of a waste of time, carrying Narthanc right now as it's my highest against non-evil non-animals not resistant to fire, but I haven't really seen any targets in that category and thought I might try throwing it, but yeah if it's just one blow, my arrows are better.

Nick · July 28, 2017, 23:29

Yes, throwing defaults to use the quiver. Derakon is right that throwing is rarely worth it in V - if the day comes that it is worth it, then the interface for it will probably be made easier.

Sky · July 29, 2017, 00:27

wait .. you can throw daggers? even artifact daggers?

how much damage does that even do ?

NimrodPE · July 29, 2017, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon

@Sky: It'd be roughly equivalent to making a single blow in melee with the dagger. @Me: Once you have a better melee weapon, the 'thancs are really just meant to be discarded.

Yes, the *thancs aren't that great, but as soon as they show up, things become a lot easier imho in the beginning and with Andúril comboed I get 2 ranged elemental attacks, so conclusion: Use them, don't throw them, until you have something like Andúril/Aglarang or Andúril/Éowyn. Didn't get past DL45 so far ;D

Nick · July 29, 2017, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky

wait .. you can throw daggers? even artifact daggers?

how much damage does that even do ?

You can throw anything, and it will do a small amount of damage. The interesting bit is that some variants have dedicated throwing weapons and improved damage, so throwing is actually a viable tactic.

Sky · July 29, 2017, 01:13

but is the damage based on the base damage and bonuses of the item thrown ? or does a dagger 2d4 (+10,+24) do the same damage as a dagger 1d4 (+0,+0) ?

Derakon · July 29, 2017, 16:38

For the third time,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon

It'd be roughly equivalent to making a single blow in melee with the dagger.

Exact formulae don't matter, because it's just not worth it.

Ingwe Ingweron · July 29, 2017, 20:54

For mages in the very beginning, throwing flasks of oil is a viable tactic. One assumes these are flaming Molotov cocktails.

July 28, 2017, 22:09	#1
Qyx Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 64	4.0.5 -- can I macro dagger throwing? I feel like I've forgotten something. I tried inscribing my dagger with @v1, but then if I v1, I'm throwing my arrow. Then I tried v/1, but it didn't recognize the dagger. Is there any way I can put Narthanc to use?

July 28, 2017, 23:29	#4
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 57 Posts: 9,431 Donated: $60	Yes, throwing defaults to use the quiver. Derakon is right that throwing is rarely worth it in V - if the day comes that it is worth it, then the interface for it will probably be made easier. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

July 29, 2017, 20:54	#10
Ingwe Ingweron Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 2,123	For mages in the very beginning, throwing flasks of oil is a viable tactic. One assumes these are flaming Molotov cocktails. __________________ “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.” ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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July 28, 2017, 22:23	#2
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,022	I don't know why your macro isn't working, but it's probably something to do with the quiver. In any case, throwing things for damage is generally not very effective in Vanilla. It'd be roughly equivalent to making a single blow in melee with the dagger. Once you have a better melee weapon, the 'thancs are really just meant to be discarded.

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Qyx Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 64	Yeah, I suppose it's kind of a waste of time, carrying Narthanc right now as it's my highest against non-evil non-animals not resistant to fire, but I haven't really seen any targets in that category and thought I might try throwing it, but yeah if it's just one blow, my arrows are better.

July 29, 2017, 00:27	#5
Sky Veteran Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: London-ish Age: 50 Posts: 2,114	wait .. you can throw daggers? even artifact daggers? how much damage does that even do ?

July 29, 2017, 01:13	#8
Sky Veteran Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: London-ish Age: 50 Posts: 2,114	but is the damage based on the base damage and bonuses of the item thrown ? or does a dagger 2d4 (+10,+24) do the same damage as a dagger 1d4 (+0,+0) ?

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