When is aggravate worth accepting?

Selkie · May 15, 2021, 15:12

My hobbit rogue found these two incredible randarts... the only trouble is they aggravate. On the other side of the coin, they obliterate anything in their path.

Is it worth sacrificing that legendary stealth and effectively switch class to become a hard hitting warrior?

Pete Mack · May 15, 2021, 15:56

How's your survivability otherwise? If you have enough HP and speed, go for it.

Edit: oh yeah, and ESP. I dont think I'd aggravate at depth without it.

Estie · May 15, 2021, 16:57

I would carry the MoD as swap and use for prime targets (uniques) at need.

Pete Mack · May 15, 2021, 17:10

MoD is really heavy to use as a swap, though it is certainly the better weapon with a lightning brand. It's almost the equal of Deathwreaker, but lacks slay evil. Unless your other weapon is really light (like a trident or katana) the flail is better as a swap.

Estie · May 15, 2021, 18:29

Wot. I assume that character is past the +10 speed threshold ? If the difference from weight is something like +16 -> +15 speed, it makes no difference surely.

Pete Mack · May 15, 2021, 19:16

That thing is heavy enough to cut speed by up to 4 points. (IIRC, it's 40lbs!)

Selkie · May 15, 2021, 19:37

Thanks for all the advice. The character was at +27 Speed and of course had ESP. I say was and had, because I died to a wyrm of annihilation while giving Glaurung a battering. I moved one space to TO and he breathed nether (which I partially resisted and time, which I couldn't). YASD at clvl49

archolewa · May 15, 2021, 20:06

Personally, I wouldnt. I just dont think Rogues, especially hobbit rogues have the staying power to handle aggravation in the lower floors. Blackguard, Paladin, or Warrior? Absolutely. But not a Rogue.

Edit: Oops missed that you died. Sorry. Still getting used to the new layout of these forums on a phone.

Selkie · May 15, 2021, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by archolewa

Edit: Oops missed that you died. Sorry. Still getting used to the new layout of these forums on a phone.

Haha, don't be sorry - you called it 100 per cent

Pete Mack · May 15, 2021, 23:07

What i don't get is how he double moved you. Time only does 200 damage, so you were already too low in HP for anything but *heal* or an escape.

May 15, 2021, 15:12	#1
Selkie Swordsman Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: London Posts: 426	When is aggravate worth accepting? My hobbit rogue found these two incredible randarts... the only trouble is they aggravate. On the other side of the coin, they obliterate anything in their path. Is it worth sacrificing that legendary stealth and effectively switch class to become a hard hitting warrior?

May 15, 2021, 15:56	#2
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	How's your survivability otherwise? If you have enough HP and speed, go for it. Edit: oh yeah, and ESP. I dont think I'd aggravate at depth without it. Last edited by Pete Mack; May 15, 2021 at 16:04.

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May 15, 2021, 16:57	#3
Estie Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,177	I would carry the MoD as swap and use for prime targets (uniques) at need.

May 15, 2021, 17:10	#4
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	MoD is really heavy to use as a swap, though it is certainly the better weapon with a lightning brand. It's almost the equal of Deathwreaker, but lacks slay evil. Unless your other weapon is really light (like a trident or katana) the flail is better as a swap.

May 15, 2021, 18:29	#5
Estie Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,177	Wot. I assume that character is past the +10 speed threshold ? If the difference from weight is something like +16 -> +15 speed, it makes no difference surely.

May 15, 2021, 19:16	#6
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	That thing is heavy enough to cut speed by up to 4 points. (IIRC, it's 40lbs!)

May 15, 2021, 19:37	#7
Selkie Swordsman Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: London Posts: 426	Thanks for all the advice. The character was at +27 Speed and of course had ESP. I say was and had, because I died to a wyrm of annihilation while giving Glaurung a battering. I moved one space to TO and he breathed nether (which I partially resisted and time, which I couldn't). YASD at clvl49

May 15, 2021, 20:06	#8
archolewa Swordsman Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Midwest Age: 34 Posts: 399	Personally, I wouldnt. I just dont think Rogues, especially hobbit rogues have the staying power to handle aggravation in the lower floors. Blackguard, Paladin, or Warrior? Absolutely. But not a Rogue. Edit: Oops missed that you died. Sorry. Still getting used to the new layout of these forums on a phone.

May 15, 2021, 23:07	#10
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	What i don't get is how he double moved you. Time only does 200 damage, so you were already too low in HP for anything but heal or an escape.

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