"Nick is going to butcher the game"

[takkaria]

Originally Posted by debo

I think an important variable in this problem is the size of the "Angband community." It's pretty darn small. Even if we irritate half the community with a change that's, what? Maybe 30 people? That falls pretty firmly under "who cares" territory for me.

Some 300 people download the game each month.

[kandrc]

Originally Posted by takkaria

Some 300 people download the game each month.

271 of those are debo.

[dos350]

over the last 20years that 300 a month added lot, not to mention people who shared the game offline,

[olivertheorem]

Originally Posted by dos350

imagine logging into diablo 2 and half the classes had name change and many skills removed and or completely changed, monsters had name and ability changes and generally started being in the star wars universe instead of diablo, despite many dedicated players learning, enjoying and talking about it for the last 20 years, its all invalidated!

now thats not diablo2 its a mod

This analogy only works if the changes to Angband were being made without notice to the community, and if you had no choice but to update the version (like it happened in the background or something). In Angband, Nick is being as upfront as humanly possible about what is coming, and you do have the choice not to download the new version. The comparison you're trying to make just isn't there.

Again, I empathize with those who think Angband is largely fine just where it is. That is a valid opinion. But you're not going to convince people to change their mind with over the top analogies such as this.

[debo]

Originally Posted by takkaria

Some 300 people download the game each month.

That's more than I thought! Neat stat.

However, when I said 'community,' I meant the number of people who regularly and actively play the game and like, talk about it.

[takkaria]

Originally Posted by debo

That's more than I thought! Neat stat.

However, when I said 'community,' I meant the number of people who regularly and actively play the game and like, talk about it.

Sure. I just thought it was an interesting data point. It was as high as 700 a month last year for a few months. Used to be higher.

The forum software reckons there are 207 active members here too, even if a lot of them don't post.

[dos350]

ever had a product u used to like, say a biscuit or soda, item on menu at resteraunt, anything u can think of really~ change ~ now u dont like that product, even tho its called the same thing by the same company (new & improved), u have to find something else to fill the void of what once was,

whatever reason it may hav changed for doesnt matter to the upset ex user

[Mondkalb]

Originally Posted by dos350

ever had a product u used to like, say a biscuit or soda, item on menu at resteraunt, anything u can think of really~ change ~ now u dont like that product, even tho its called the same thing by the same company (new & improved), u have to find something else to fill the void of what once was,

whatever reason it may hav changed for doesnt matter to the upset ex user

Yeah, but the difference is, you can still download and play the version of Angband you like, whereas you usually can't buy the good old times product anymore.

[dos350]

would u want ur good friend to die just so he never changed?

[mrfy]

Originally Posted by dos350

would u want ur good friend to die just so he never changed?

No, I accept that change is going to happen because that's life. Some people change in good ways, other in bad ways. If the change is too bad, then cut off contact and remember when they were a good friend, with a bit of sadness of course.