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Old November 17, 2011, 00:55   #41
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+1 Timo/Derakon/Antoine.
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Old November 17, 2011, 00:58   #42
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+1 Timo/Derakon/Antoine.
How can you +1 us all when we are disagreeing with each other?!!



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Old November 17, 2011, 01:06   #43
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My concern is that without an official maintainer who is responsible for keeping the game alive? developers can come and go at will, but the question is who is now responsible for angband, and responsible for passing the torch if needs be?
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Old November 17, 2011, 01:25   #44
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My concern is that without an official maintainer who is responsible for keeping the game alive? developers can come and go at will, but the question is who is now responsible for angband, and responsible for passing the torch if needs be?
Devteam seems to have settled on collective responsibility, which seems all good.

I'd have said "keeping the game alive" was not a big worry any time soon, lively it most certainly is.

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Old November 17, 2011, 01:33   #45
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How can you +1 us all when we are disagreeing with each other?!!
I think we all agree that v4 becomes effectively useless as a testing branch once it deviates far enough from the official V release, which is what the plus was all about.

I've viewed v4 as a variant from the start. Timo, perhaps, still views it as mostly Vanilla and/or a useful tool for V development (and therefore cares what happens to it). I say let the dev team make the best damn variant they can, and if something from it, something that works well and fits Angband well gets ported back to V, all the better.
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Old November 17, 2011, 01:56   #46
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I say let the dev team make the best damn variant they can, and if something from it, something that works well and fits Angband well gets ported back to V, all the better.
I suspect it'll be the other way around to some extent - v4 will be the variant that most quickly adopts V interface improvements - where maintainers of other variants will take longer to catch up.

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Old November 17, 2011, 02:56   #47
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What would the dev team say if someone did step forward with intentions on maintaining angband? I think you understand that we are in uncharted waters here, angband maintainers have generally tried to pass the torch on to others that most closely shared their views on the game, now we have several different people, each a little different in his own way, v4 is an interesting variant but I don't see the need for it, your basically turning angband into a variant, there's already been a lot of changes that has significantly changed it from what it used to be
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What would the dev team say if someone did step forward with intentions on maintaining angband?
I can't speak for anyone but myself. I'd support that individual wholeheartedly.
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Old November 17, 2011, 03:46   #49
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Well it was my understanding by reading the forums that takkira and the dev team didn't feel a need of a maintainer, i'm a long time player with minimum coding skills so im sure I wouldn't fill the shoes, as a player i have a genuine concern on the future of the game after takkira.
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Old November 17, 2011, 04:32   #50
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Timo has a point. If v4 becomes too distant from Vanilla, then you stop being able to decide if a feature can transfer from v4 to Vanilla.
It's possible. That's why I started NPP many years ago. I got sick of people saying "xxx idea would never work in vanilla". I wanted to show ideas could work, and game balance could be easily restored with each change. It think it can be called successful, in both the number of people who have played it, and the number of ideas that have made thier way into Vanilla from NPP (even if the original idea didn't start in NPP). The differrence is, in NPP we work on only one idea at a time. And then we try our best to polish it and de-bug it before moving on to a new idea.

From the looks of it, V4 is going to move into 5 different directions at once, constantly change, and never stop to take a breath to figure out where it is or what it wants to be. So it will be hard to say what will improve vanilla and what won't. So V4 can't be some temporary staging ground where most or all of the ideas get included. There has to be some sort of filter, so that only the best and most widely respected ideas even get considered for addition into V, just like it would from any other variant.

And, I agree with Timo that sometime early in Angband 3.x it stopped being Angband. It's a variant, but it has the Angband brand name so it gets the most attention. It's doesn't sound like a bad variant, but it certainly isn't Angband either.
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