April 28, 2020, 14:54  #1 
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Speed display
I'm playing with the option "Show effective speed as multiplier" enabled and the logic just keeps on irritating me. Better than those obscure numbers though. I know this is a kind of linguistic question, but as a mathematically oriented person I just can't get over it .
Here's the deal: @ is at (1.2x) and a monster is at (1.0x). The description states that the monster is "1.2x slower than you". On a mathematical level I don't really understand what n times slower than actually means. In my book that would mean that the monster's speed is negative. I mean 1.2 times @ speed would be 1.44 and less than would mean 0.24 speed. The real difference in speed is about 17%, so I assume that 1.2 multiplier is 1.17 rounded. Another example: @ is at (1.2x) and a monster is at (2.0x). The description states that the monster is "1.7x faster than you". That makes a bit more sense, since I assume it means 1.7*1.2 which is about 2. I still find it wrong, since 1.7x faster in my world means 2.7 times the original. I'm assuming these are in the vain of saying that 6 is 2 times greater than 3 instead of saying 6 is 2 times 3. Or even saying that 3 is two times lesser than 6 instead of saying 3 is half of 6. I would love to see the multiplier differences as percentages rather than current phrases. The examples would above would then be "17% slower than you" and "67% faster than you". Thank you for reading. Had to get that off my chest. 
April 28, 2020, 15:50  #2 
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1.2 ÷ 1.0 = 1.2, that is you get one extra turn every 5 monster turns. What you are talking about is extra turns.

April 28, 2020, 15:57  #3 
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I agree that it's badly worded.
"20% faster then you" means 1.2x your speed. "1.7x faster then you" is technically meaningless & easy to mistake for 2.7x. "Twice as fast" makes sense. "Twice as faster" is nonsense. 
April 28, 2020, 16:02  #4  
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Quote:
If someone has 100 gold coins and I have 1.2 times less coins, how many coins do I have? 

April 28, 2020, 16:05  #5 
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Tbh, there needs to be no speed comparison in the description when multiplier is shown. Just the multiplier.

April 28, 2020, 16:06  #6 
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Got it. "The monster is 0.83 times as fast as you" or "you are 1.2 times faster than the monster" may be better.

April 28, 2020, 16:38  #7 
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Which is 1.20x your speed. Which is 0.67x your speed. Any good?

April 28, 2020, 20:23  #8 
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It's a little bit more verbose, but since what players really care about is "how often am I getting doublemoved", you could say something like:
"The monster has a speed of 2.0x (the monster will doublemove you every move)" or "The monster has speed 1.2x (the monster will doublemove you every 5 moves)." 
April 28, 2020, 21:46  #9  
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My suggestion is to remove comparison part altogether and just leave the speed multiplier with respect to normal speed. Let the player do the math. 

April 28, 2020, 23:22  #10 
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This looks good to me.
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