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Old March 16, 2010, 02:42   #31
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I wouldn't ever sell a scroll of acquirement, even if the gold were worth more than the expected value of the item --- it just seems so dirty!

In fact, I'd probably just read it right away because I have no restraint.

But the smart thing to do is either sell it or read it at dlvl >20, >40 if you can manage it.
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Old March 16, 2010, 02:51   #32
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I wouldn't ever sell a scroll of acquirement, even if the gold were worth more than the expected value of the item --- it just seems so dirty!
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What's dirty is the whole selling mechanic.

30K right now is worth a couple of orders of magnitude more than a morningstar of slay troll 15 DLs into the future.
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Old March 16, 2010, 16:48   #33
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Yeah, that's true. 30K early on, means you can buy quite a bit of good gear as it pops. Couple =Prot at +10 or better, aim for +6 or better in most armor slots...and you should still have cash left over if something like a Westernesse or Defender weapon shows in the weapons shop.

The problem with using it, at that low a character level, is that the item is too likely to be useless. Of course, character class plays a huge role; priests and mages have the big restrictions. Still, even for the melee types...the heavier weapons are often poor-ish choices at this point, and of course there are quite a few poor-ish special qualities. You've only got 1 chance with it; the stores give better odds.
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Old March 16, 2010, 17:45   #34
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=Protection? No way. =Damage, man. Armor class is almost never worth optimizing for over faster killing speed. The top rings, IMO, are speed, damage, and CON, followed by STR/DEX if they give you extra attacks.
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Old March 16, 2010, 19:31   #35
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What's dirty is the whole selling mechanic.

30K right now is worth a couple of orders of magnitude more than a morningstar of slay troll 15 DLs into the future.
Oh, definitely. I just meant that selling a ?Acq is throwing away the thrill of discovery! (Even though it's often optimal from the point of view of survival.)
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Old March 16, 2010, 19:55   #36
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Derakon: you're thinking late-game. The situation here was Raven's comment...finding one on DL 5. I'll take the AC bonus at this early stage. I can also get +12 to +14 rings from the store, reasonably often; I won't find anything in the dungeon this good, for quite some time. No, it won't be something I'll keep forever, but I'll get good mileage out of it for a good 15-20 dungeon levels.

Of course, I prefer to run casters, so =Dam isn't useful at this point. =Str is helpful, for a mage, if for nothing more than letting me haul out a decent amount of stuff, and use a somewhat heavier weapon...one doesn't use spells quite *all* the time. Damage bonuses become significant when you start having multiple attacks, and that'll be a while with a caster.

But really, it's more about the fact that I can *get* those nice, bigger =Prots...Speed is Forget It (black market only, WAYYYYY too expensive anyway), Dam is likely black market only and won't be all that great. With =Prot I'll get a good, useful benefit *for this stage* at a price that's fair to me, that'll let me build up to a more solid gear set that will overall be better.
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Old March 16, 2010, 20:08   #37
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If you can find =Dam in the BM, then that's still better than =Prot. Otherwise it's moot. If you don't feel like town scumming, =Prot can be a reasonable way to go.
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In my actual 3.2 game I was extremely lucky:

The Adamantite Plate Mail 'Soulkeeper' (-4) [90,+20] (+2)
Conjured forth by magic at 4300 feet (level 86).

The Palantir of Westernesse (+2)
Conjured forth by magic at 4900 feet (level 98).

I think I never found Soulkeeper before so I seem to be almost more lucky getting it conjured forth. ^^
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Old April 8, 2011, 17:07   #39
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The Lucerne Hammer of Rantuluin (8d5) (+6,+8)
Conjured forth by magic at 1950 feet (level 39).

Slays giants.
Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.

Oh please ...
What a waste of an artifact.
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I remember back when I thought that the main purpose of Slay Giant gear was for killing Morgoth. After all, he's a 'P', right? Right?

8d5 would be pretty nice if you have access to branding rings. 24d5 = average damage 72/strike just from the dice.
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