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Old October 12, 2017, 05:58   #21
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Just stopping in to add my two cents.

I am one of the more casual PosChengband players that isn't really a fan of many of the changes in the later versions of the game. I enjoy the vastly wider array of race/class combinations that poschengband and predecessors had, and often played for roleplaying purposes - that is, I thought a specific race class combination sounded interesting, and wanted to play as that, rather then approaching from a strategic perspective and choosing race and class based on that.

Needless to say, I never got anywhere with even the easier versions of poschengband(and predecessors) - maxed out at maybe level 35, and that was a *really* good game, before dying to something.

I don't have the time or mental focus to spend long enough on a game like this to learn to play it well enough to have a legitimate chance of winning - I just wanted to play for the enjoyment of it, and unfortunately, the direction Chris has taken it has sort of reduced my interest in it.

All that said, he's the maintainer. You want a game that plays the way you want, write it yourself, don't complain about the existing game. And perhaps that's why there are so many forks out there(I assume this is some kind of micro-variant? new concept to me, but I've been away from Angbandish games for awhile), but I think Chris's desire for those making and playing these forks to unmistakeably identify the fact that they aren't his game is entirely reasonable.

I also don't really understand the need for vitriol of any kind... it's a game. Play it, or don't. But don't lose your s**t over it. I would like to think that this community ought to be better then much of the rest of the internet in that regard.

Chris, keep doing what you're doing. Your design philosophy is solid, and while it doesn't really cater to someone like me, I can still appreciate and respect it. I've been a long time player and fan of Poschengband, and while it no longer really does for me what it used to, it's still an excellent game, and I'll continue to follow its development, if it a distance.

All the best,
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Old October 12, 2017, 13:50   #22
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Regarding the removal of the clouded quests, having played around with the new situation (new for me, as I started with 6.1), I'd say it was deleterious. The new-for-me Vapor Quest isn't harder than the clouded variant, but it's more tedious, and that's not good. Haunted house... OK here I'll admit I'm judging from other player's reports. It seems to be harder, which isn't bad in itself, except that it means it's best to delay the quest until the reward is worthless, which is kind of unfun.

As much as I hate jumping on the criticism bandwagon, I feel like these changes were not actually guided by game design considerations, as would be best for game design decisions.
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Old October 15, 2017, 20:38   #23
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Can't say I see the point in alienating part of the people that play your game.

Something general about the recent changes:
The changes to Free Action and See Invisible hit Death Swords a lot harder than any other class. This might need some balancing instead of having to avoid enemies that are invisible or have paralyze/disenchant attacks for a majority of the game.
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Old October 15, 2017, 22:16   #24
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Here's something I've asked for ages (seen in 7.0.2 and older versions):

Apparently, players can use the '<' (instead of the intended '>') command to swap from the wilderness World Map to the Normal Map (applies to PCB on webserver and offline). This means '<' can serve as dual-purpose to swap between map modes.

Anyone know if this was intended / feature or a bug?

FYI, we know the in-game manual says to use '>' (i.e. the intended key). Players might use '<' accidentally anyway during gameplay (i.e. fat-finger, etc). Of note, there is no difference in turncount either way, unless a wilderness encounter occurs. When a wilderness encounter happens, very small additional turncounts are taken. But otherwise, they're the same! I brought this up earlier because I thought using '<' resulted in lower turncount than '>'. But, I proved to myself that this isn't the case. I can prove they're the same again on angband.live, if anyone requests!
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Anyone know if this was intended / feature or a bug?
It is a doesn't matter because it doesn't mess with anything so who cares.
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Old October 15, 2017, 22:54   #26
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Can't say I see the point in alienating part of the people that play your game.

Something general about the recent changes:
The changes to Free Action and See Invisible hit Death Swords a lot harder than any other class. This might need some balancing instead of having to avoid enemies that are invisible or have paralyze/disenchant attacks for a majority of the game.
I've already sent Chris a PM about this. I honestly thing he might have just overlooked the Deathswords when he made that change. One question about them though; are they supposed to be able to gain Mana Brand or the Blessed abilities? Those essences haven't dropped from the appropriate sources.
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Old October 15, 2017, 23:07   #27
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One question about (Deathswords) though; are they supposed to be able to gain Mana Brand or the Blessed abilities? Those essences haven't dropped from the appropriate sources.
Mana brand requires a mana pool to work and deathswords have no mana. Blessed only matters for certain types of priests. So in both cases no they're not intended-but-missing for deathswords.
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Old October 16, 2017, 00:19   #28
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It is a doesn't matter because it doesn't mess with anything so who cares.
Chris cares for sure. I figured mentioning no-difference is proven will prevent problems with Chris later.
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Old October 21, 2017, 17:43   #29
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Did potions of clarity get removed from the alchemist shop? (I'm yet to see 1 for sale) This seems harsh on the priest which was already slow to get rolling even with them. It's not like warriors don't get access to 4 towns worth of !ccw & had the faster game to begin with.

Edit:Found some in store, they are just rarer

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Old October 21, 2017, 19:37   #30
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Now that you mention it... I see plenty in deep, but not in town. Hmm...

edit: WTF! I was carrying three wanted corpses. Grendel, Rich and Poor the thief, then a bunch of tough fights later in the Icky Caves I noticed all three corpses were gone! Are they vulnerable to Fire/Acid or theft?

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