Attention casters: dungeon books are now artifacts

Magnate · November 6, 2011, 19:20

So don't throw them away, because they won't turn up again!

As of ff29e63, the top five books in each realm are artifacts.

If you see more than one of a kind, please report a bug. If you kill Morgoth without finding one of them, please let us know which, and tell us your turn count and how quickly you dived through the second half of the dungeon.

They will not be randomised in randart games. To do this, we've implemented a new flag at the end of the W: line in artifact.txt. This has a nice side effect: if you have any favourite artifacts, just add ":no" to the end of their W: lines and they will be preserved in randart games ...

Storm-Sky · November 6, 2011, 19:38

I hope those books are indestructible......

Magnate · November 6, 2011, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm-Sky

I hope those books are indestructible......

When did you last destroy an artifact??

Storm-Sky · November 6, 2011, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnate

When did you last destroy an artifact??

Well wasn't for sure if it was implemented the same as other artifacts, usually spellbooks are vulnerable to fire.

Derakon · November 6, 2011, 22:41

The dungeon spellbooks have always been indestructible though. Only town spellbooks can be burned.

Tobias · November 6, 2011, 22:51

Does this mean, that they won't show up in the BM anymore? I feel like I usually get books 5-7 from the BM before I find them in the dungeon.

Also, I have been waiting for something like the no line for some time.

Therem Harth · November 7, 2011, 00:11

This sounds like a cool change, on the condition that it be possible to actually win with only the first four books. I don't mean to win easily mind, finding dungeon books should definitely be an "Oh cool!" moment... But as others here have pointed out, the (elemental) offensive spells in the first four books stop being useful pretty early on, whereas e.g. Orb of Draining is useful for most of the game.

(Several of the elemental spells are also wickedly inefficient. Fire Bolt for instance costs significantly more mana than Magic Missile, and does only a bit more damage IIRC; which is especially annoying because Magic Missile is unresistable damage, and Fire Bolt is not. When running mages I generally stick with Magic Missile as a ranged damage source for quite a while.)

Derakon · November 7, 2011, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therem Harth

This sounds like a cool change, on the condition that it be possible to actually win with only the first four books. I don't mean to win easily mind, finding dungeon books should definitely be an "Oh cool!" moment... But as others here have pointed out, the (elemental) offensive spells in the first four books stop being useful pretty early on, whereas e.g. Orb of Draining is useful for most of the game.

I don't see how "dungeon spellbooks are now artifacts" corresponds at all to "game should be winnable without dungeon spellbooks". Just because they're artifacts doesn't mean you won't find them. How many games do you play where you don't find the Phial?

Therem Harth · November 7, 2011, 00:57

Well, in 3.3.0 so far I've found precisely zero artifacts... Then again I've haven't been playing much lately due to real life. So point taken.

OTOH isn't there a "no artifacts" mode?

Magnate · November 7, 2011, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therem Harth

Well, in 3.3.0 so far I've found precisely zero artifacts... Then again I've haven't been playing much lately due to real life. So point taken.

OTOH isn't there a "no artifacts" mode?

There is, and I guess this just got a lot harder for casters ;-)

Your point about good and bad spells is kind of orthogonal though. There have been lots of threads about improving spell lists - MarbleDice went through and adjusted the mana costs into a more sensible progression, but there hasn't been any major overhaul of the actual spell lists for a long while. v4 is definitely the place to try that out - if anyone wants to reorganise the spellbooks and submit a pull request, that would be great. (I think if you search old threads there are several people who have more or less done that in posts - but nobody's actually done it by editing spells.txt and p_class.txt yet.)

EDIT: I just picked up a pull request from Nomad - apparently there's a problem with tiles for the artifact spellbooks. I don't understand why this would be, since they didn't change their tvals or svals - but I am pretty ignorant about tiles, so I'll take Nomad's word for it.

November 6, 2011, 19:20	#1
Magnate Angband Devteam member Join Date: May 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,060	Attention casters: dungeon books are now artifacts So don't throw them away, because they won't turn up again! As of ff29e63, the top five books in each realm are artifacts. If you see more than one of a kind, please report a bug. If you kill Morgoth without finding one of them, please let us know which, and tell us your turn count and how quickly you dived through the second half of the dungeon. They will not be randomised in randart games. To do this, we've implemented a new flag at the end of the W: line in artifact.txt. This has a nice side effect: if you have any favourite artifacts, just add ":no" to the end of their W: lines and they will be preserved in randart games ... __________________ "3.4 is much better than 3.1, 3.2 or 3.3. It still is easier than 3.0.9, but it is more convenient to play without being ridiculously easy, so it is my new favorite of the versions." - Timo Pietila

November 6, 2011, 19:38	#2
Storm-Sky Scout Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Town level Posts: 37	I hope those books are indestructible...... __________________ My Ladder: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-browse.php?e=Storm-Sky

November 6, 2011, 22:51	#6
Tobias Adept Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 172	Does this mean, that they won't show up in the BM anymore? I feel like I usually get books 5-7 from the BM before I find them in the dungeon. Also, I have been waiting for something like the no line for some time. __________________ My Angband videos : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...385E85F31166B2

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Success of pure casters?	Chud	Vanilla	14	April 9, 2011 16:27
Attention Angband developers	takkaria	Vanilla	4	February 6, 2009 18:44
Poll: How much attention do you pay to level feelings?	Donald Jonker	Vanilla	11	January 6, 2009 16:43
Casters and gloves?	EvilScoop	Vanilla	6	March 1, 2008 06:33
Attention, Verizon users	pav	Oook!	10	May 10, 2007 05:57

November 6, 2011, 22:41	#5
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,022	The dungeon spellbooks have always been indestructible though. Only town spellbooks can be burned.

November 7, 2011, 00:11	#7
Therem Harth Knight Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 926	This sounds like a cool change, on the condition that it be possible to actually win with only the first four books. I don't mean to win easily mind, finding dungeon books should definitely be an "Oh cool!" moment... But as others here have pointed out, the (elemental) offensive spells in the first four books stop being useful pretty early on, whereas e.g. Orb of Draining is useful for most of the game. (Several of the elemental spells are also wickedly inefficient. Fire Bolt for instance costs significantly more mana than Magic Missile, and does only a bit more damage IIRC; which is especially annoying because Magic Missile is unresistable damage, and Fire Bolt is not. When running mages I generally stick with Magic Missile as a ranged damage source for quite a while.)

November 7, 2011, 00:57	#9
Therem Harth Knight Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 926	Well, in 3.3.0 so far I've found precisely zero artifacts... Then again I've haven't been playing much lately due to real life. So point taken. OTOH isn't there a "no artifacts" mode?

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)