Unique killed by monster

[scud]

In my current game I've finally been credited with a Master Q kill; have already killed 3-4 with orb of draining, but they were unseen and untargeted.

Which prompts this supremely unimportant question:

If, for example, Morgoth summoned Farmer Maggot, and the poor chap was then reduced to a pile of hobbit dust by a monster's ranged attack, would the monster knowledge run with 'You have slain this foe' or is there a 'This foe is dead' alternative text?

[Timo Pietilä]

Originally Posted by scud

In my current game I've finally been credited with a Master Q kill; have already killed 3-4 with orb of draining, but they were unseen and untargeted.

Which prompts this supremely unimportant question:

If, for example, Morgoth summoned Farmer Maggot, and the poor chap was then reduced to a pile of hobbit dust by a monster's ranged attack, would the monster knowledge run with 'You have slain this foe' or is there a 'This foe is dead' alternative text?

Uniques can't be killed by other uniques. Earthquake/destruction or trampling can remove one from level but that is not death for them. I think normal damage stops at 1HP left if the initiator is not player. At least I have never seen unique killed by other monster.

[Estie]

In tome2 (where players can have allied monsters) what Timo said applies, with the exception that dots (poison or shard) can actually remove that last hit point, killing the unique. I wonder if this also is true in vanilla.

[Philip]

Well, since the only things that damage monsters in V are monsters or the player, that is moot. NPP might hace some rules about this.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Philip

Well, since the only things that damage monsters in V are monsters or the player, that is moot. NPP might hace some rules about this.

Monsters in V and (as far as I know) all variants can be damaged or killed by other monsters' breath, missiles etc., but uniques cannot be killed by this method - if they would have died, instead they are reduced to 0HP.

[scud]

Thanks everyone.

Secondary question: could Morgy call upon Maggot? He obviously only appears of his own accord at town level; does that preclude him from being conjured up by a unique-summoner?

[PowerWyrm]

Originally Posted by scud

Thanks everyone.

Secondary question: could Morgy call upon Maggot? He obviously only appears of his own accord at town level; does that preclude him from being conjured up by a unique-summoner?

You cannot generate force_depth monsters outside of their level. For the same reason, you cannot have Sauron or Morgoth summoned as an out-of-depth monster earlier in the dungeon.

[Derakon]

Originally Posted by PowerWyrm

You cannot generate force_depth monsters outside of their level. For the same reason, you cannot have Sauron or Morgoth summoned as an out-of-depth monster earlier in the dungeon.

Y'know, I was going to give this answer, and then I checked Maggot's entry; he doesn't have FORCE_DEPTH! Neither do any of the townsfolk. So I have no idea why they don't show up in the dungeon.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Derakon

Y'know, I was going to give this answer, and then I checked Maggot's entry; he doesn't have FORCE_DEPTH! Neither do any of the townsfolk. So I have no idea why they don't show up in the dungeon.

Presumably monster generation in-dungeon allows for a minimum native depth of 1, so monsters with a native depth of 0 are never generated?

[PowerWyrm]

Along with the force_depth check, there's a check for depth = 0 in get_mon_num(), so no townies can be generated in the dungeon.