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Old June 22, 2013, 01:24   #11
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If that, then ironman and/or artifactless, I think.
How about fastest win (or win via Morgoth kill) without ANY Source of Sharpness?

[Note - To those who didn't know, it *is* possible to kill Morgoth without ANY Source of Sharpness!!]

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I would actually like to see a Sil competition that is the exact opposite of this -- start with a Noldor Feanor with standard starting kit and a decent stat allocation, and leave all 5k exp available to allocate and see what crazy shit people manage to pull off
Imagine the possibilities with the '13 Smithing' start (which I am very fond of)...either Rings of Accuracy, Armour Artistry, or something else. Who knows?

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Old June 22, 2013, 08:44   #12
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I would actually like to see a Sil competition that is the exact opposite of this -- start with a Noldor Feanor with standard starting kit and a decent stat allocation, and leave all 5k exp available to allocate and see what crazy shit people manage to pull off
That sounds quite like a description of the ladder.

(Of course ironman would distance it.)
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Old June 22, 2013, 14:51   #13
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That sounds quite like a description of the ladder.
I disagree -- in my experience, people seem to try a lot harder for extreme victories when it comes to the competition. If we did a general competition, I would be unsurprised if someone ended up e.g. dethroning the 1st place spot on the entire Sil ladder, or at least shaking up the top 5 a bit.

Edit: Then again, we might get fewer participants because of the lack of anything new
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Hador artifactless ironman songless stealthless archeryless wasting disease spearchucker!!!

( Never let me pick the challenges )
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Old June 22, 2013, 15:47   #15
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Hador artifactless ironman songless stealthless archeryless wasting disease spearchucker!!!

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Sounds fun. How about a Edain Hador ironman/no artefacts using only 2 skills?
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Well. I was going to suggest that and now I just feel embarrassed.
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I find artifactless, ironman really unappealing. I like no sharpness (maybe with the exception of the crown) as a condition, I like hador, but having a nice starter kit would be appreciated (a choice of weapons, some basic armour).

(Dethroning the first place in the ladder looks impossible without some really lucky finds/presents and even then. I mean less than 10k turns to the throne room, kill and back? I need 5000 turns to 500ft when I am fast. But you need to be at about 900ft to beat wildkhaine.)
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We can definitely provide a character with some starting equipment, if that's wanted.

For skill restrictions I'd be interested in seeing how people could get along with, say, no points in Archery, Evasion, or Stealth.
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Scatha, you forgot to cackle maniacally at the end of your statement there.
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We can definitely provide a character with some starting equipment, if that's wanted.

For skill restrictions I'd be interested in seeing how people could get along with, say, no points in Archery, Evasion, or Stealth.
Zero points on Evasion is *very* hard, especially at endgame. No Archery or Stealth is certainly doable. Same for Perception, Song, Smithing, and Will.

(I have tried the 2-skill tree only restriction [Melee/Evasion] with my character, Prologue, who went as far as 800ft as my best attempt, but got roughhoused *a lot* and nearly died from Tevildo's guard. After that beating, I had to bail out of the challenge after reaching 800ft, moved back a couple of levels to about 650ft, and add points and abilities from additional skill trees. Eventually, this one took Morgoth down without any source of Sharpness.)

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