What to do about "pushes past" messages?

Magnate · July 29, 2009, 08:27

Looks like the messages about monsters with MOVE_BODY pushing past other monsters can get a bit tedious, especially with ESP.

Nick · July 29, 2009, 08:56

I voted remove completely, although I haven't played V with them yet - monsters push past in O/FA/NPP(?) all the time without saying anything.

Magnate · July 29, 2009, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Nick

I voted remove completely, although I haven't played V with them yet - monsters push past in O/FA/NPP(?) all the time without saying anything.

I reckon it's quite helpful to be told when a monster has just pashed another one in my LOS - that could change my tactical situation in a way that I need to know about.

Psi · July 29, 2009, 09:16

Similarly to Nick, I haven't played with the messages on, but I don't see any need for them. If a monster pushes past another in my LoS then I'll see it.

The only time I'd want them is for an off-screen monster in LoS - then I have some warning that something nasty is coming... but that is just a partial solution to a different problem altogether.

buzzkill · July 29, 2009, 14:55

Off the top of my head, I'd go with messages only for enemies which are within 10' of you, or no messages at all, but I haven't played it yet.

Zikke · July 29, 2009, 15:54

I voted to get rid of it completely. I think visually seeing a monster swap places with another is enough heads up. These messages kinda spam the window and make resting, etc. take forever.

Magnate · July 29, 2009, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Zikke

I voted to get rid of it completely. I think visually seeing a monster swap places with another is enough heads up. These messages kinda spam the window and make resting, etc. take forever.

If they were turned off for ESP detection, would that make a difference - or would you still rest with moving monsters in LOS??

Zikke · July 29, 2009, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Magnate

If they were turned off for ESP detection, would that make a difference - or would you still rest with moving monsters in LOS??

Personally this feature has no value to me regardless of distance or LoS, but that's just my opinion.

PowerDiver · July 29, 2009, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zikke

I voted to get rid of it completely. I think visually seeing a monster swap places with another is enough heads up. These messages kinda spam the window and make resting, etc. take forever.

If the monster is in LOS, you cannot rest anyway. I guess you could keep pressing 's' and then multiple messages as something fast in LOS pushes toward you would be annoying, but how often would you do that?

OTOH, I wouldn't care that much if the messages all went away, so long as the "trample" messages are kept, even for ESP. I want to know every time my best buddy Huan clears another monster from a vault.

marteo · July 29, 2009, 21:41

I voted for having them when in LOS.
I'm not always attentive enough to see a single monster coming that would be nastier than the rest of the environing monsters.

View Poll Results: What should we do about "pushes past" messages?
Leave them as is	0	0%
Get rid of them completely	9	29.03%
Have them for monsters in LOS but not those detected by ESP	17	54.84%
Have them as a game option	5	16.13%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

July 29, 2009, 08:27	#1
Magnate Angband Devteam member Join Date: May 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,060	What to do about "pushes past" messages? Looks like the messages about monsters with MOVE_BODY pushing past other monsters can get a bit tedious, especially with ESP.

July 29, 2009, 08:56	#2
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 55 Posts: 8,760 Donated: $60	I voted remove completely, although I haven't played V with them yet - monsters push past in O/FA/NPP(?) all the time without saying anything. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

July 29, 2009, 14:55	#5
buzzkill Prophet Join Date: May 2008 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 2,939 Donated: $8	Off the top of my head, I'd go with messages only for enemies which are within 10' of you, or no messages at all, but I haven't played it yet. __________________ www.mediafire.com/buzzkill - Get your 32x32 tiles here. UT32 now compatible Ironband and Quickband 9/6/2012. My banding life on Buzzkill's ladder.

July 29, 2009, 15:54	#6
Zikke Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,068	I voted to get rid of it completely. I think visually seeing a monster swap places with another is enough heads up. These messages kinda spam the window and make resting, etc. take forever. __________________ A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+ C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

July 29, 2009, 09:16	#4
Psi Knight Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Age: 45 Posts: 870	Similarly to Nick, I haven't played with the messages on, but I don't see any need for them. If a monster pushes past another in my LoS then I'll see it. The only time I'd want them is for an off-screen monster in LoS - then I have some warning that something nasty is coming... but that is just a partial solution to a different problem altogether.

July 29, 2009, 21:41	#10
marteo Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Paris Age: 29 Posts: 10	I voted for having them when in LOS. I'm not always attentive enough to see a single monster coming that would be nastier than the rest of the environing monsters.

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