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Old September 22, 2014, 09:31   #11
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Anyone tried riposte with crowd fighting & exchange places? I'm thinking of going power/follow through/momentum, parry/riposte/crowd fighting & exchange places. It's a str 4 elf with 2lb mithril nagorthrond & 3lb mithril doriath blade + a heap of armour and high con so he may be able to belt in the open. Shame follow through won't work with riposte though.
What is the interaction? All useful abilities, but I don't see what the special interaction is supposed to be. Even if you get riposte on opponents free attack in exchange places, you did not gain anything over a direct attack. For high evasion I would either combine with flanking/dodging as well or do corridor fencing (parry, riposte, concentration, subtlety with a deathblade or nice shortsword). With a heavier build (heavy armour, hardiness, critical resistance) planning to be surrounded (crowd fighting) I would very much do whirlwind (and carry aggravation around).
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Old September 22, 2014, 10:05   #12
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Yeah was counting how they fit together as an interaction here.

This would be easier if windows stopped crashing long enough to upload my character.

Seems to me whirlwind attack requires the worst situation - no walls. Better as a panic attack for when you get caught then a situation to aim for. Riposte, crowd fighting & exchange places seems a better emergency measure, works from the corner & against a wall.

Strangely you can get high evasion, protection & stealth. You just need a shadow cloak, double deflection on a kite/mithril shield & sneaky boots. I'm at [+19, 5-19] with a crown & 13 stealth from 6 stealth pts and 10 evasion. The only thing that would improve evasion/stealth would be a lighter shield & changing out of mail. I'm hoping the high evasion and crowd fighting will save me having to buy critical resistance.

Edit: Windows decided to play nice, so here's the skeleton of the build: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=16745

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Old February 17, 2015, 20:15   #13
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Curious about a few other interactions.

Whirlwind attack + charge: is there a charge bonus?
Whirlwind attack + two-weapon fighting: second weapon does not seem to attack.
Concentration + flanking: does a move-attack qualify for the purposes of "attacking the same enemy"?
Whirlwind attack + concentration: same question.
Zone of control + concentration: does an attack of opportunity against a different enemy break concentration?
Zone of control + focused attack: do ZoC attacks on a "passed" turn break the "pass"?
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Old February 28, 2015, 08:59   #14
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Curious about a few other interactions.

Whirlwind attack + charge: is there a charge bonus?
Whirlwind attack + two-weapon fighting: second weapon does not seem to attack.
Concentration + flanking: does a move-attack qualify for the purposes of "attacking the same enemy"?
Whirlwind attack + concentration: same question.
Zone of control + concentration: does an attack of opportunity against a different enemy break concentration?
Zone of control + focused attack: do ZoC attacks on a "passed" turn break the "pass"?
I can't answer all of these, but concentration computes all bonus attacks afair. So it doesn't really combine well with those, but then with concentration I fight in corridors most of the time anyway.
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Old February 28, 2015, 09:22   #15
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The easiest way to check is to go in to cheat mode give yourself a mass of xp buy all the abilities and selectively turn them on & off then look at the combat roll window.
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