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[fizzix]

Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä

Which clvl are those? Player active turns (active because it takes *you* half a second to rest) or game turns? Anyway Half-Troll priest is a bad, bad combination. That's like using Half-Troll mage when you can use High-Elf mage.

Try Dwarf Priest with 18/50 starting WIS, put two points to DEX and rest to STR. Get a bow and ammo. Use bless to boost your shooting. Compare again.

My fastest character so far was a half-troll priest...

[PowerDiver]

Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä

Dwarves are second best at melee

Half-trolls can be better at melee because of the stats, not the racial melee bonus. If the str bonus gives the half-troll an extra blow with a light weapon, that pretty much dwarfs the melee bonus of the dwarf.

[Timo Pietilä]

Originally Posted by PowerDiver

Half-trolls can be better at melee because of the stats, not the racial melee bonus. If the str bonus gives the half-troll an extra blow with a light weapon, that pretty much dwarfs the melee bonus of the dwarf.

That is true, but "bullying through early levels using melee" is not what priests do to get deep fast. You can use melee, it is not too bad for priests, but main method is to pick your fights from the beginning and use distance-methods when approriate. Early OoD helps a lot. Half-troll has so bad WIS that it can't use OoD or even detection much, while Dwarf can.

[Timo Pietilä]

Originally Posted by fizzix

My fastest character so far was a half-troll priest...

"fastest" is a bit difficult consept here. Half-Troll has regen, which helps *a lot* for mana recovery time, but it doesn't do much difference in real-time. So fastest real time can be quite different to fastest in game time.

Pretty soon after I started to try to get low turncounts I realized that regeneration is in top three abilities to get: ESP, FA, regen. And FA is questionable if you have very good saving throw and enough AC in current vanilla

[buzzkill]

Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä

"fastest" is a bit difficult concept here. Half-Troll has regen, which helps *a lot* for mana recovery time, but it doesn't do much difference in real-time. So fastest real time can be quite different to fastest in game time.

I knew that trolls had regen, but I just assumed, I don't know why, that the regen was limited to HP's. Should trolls regen mana fast too? I don't think so. Regardless, should half-trolls?

You can throw this in with the how to make V harder thread.

[ekolis]

Heh, yeah, I too assumed trolls only regenned HP quicker, not mana... guess I never bothered playing a troll mage! :P

Maybe gnomes should regen mana faster, seeing as they're such cunning little bastards...

[Derakon]

All regen affects both HP and SP. And yeah, splitting that into physical and mental regen has been suggested from time to time; it'd be worth bringing up again.