Star of Elendil vs lantern of True Sight

wobbly · October 18, 2020, 18:50

Star of Elendil seems a bit pointless since lanterns of true sight were added. You'll generally find the lantern 1st and I'd much rather have rblind, unless its a dwarf.

Nick · October 18, 2020, 21:21

I wanted to vote "all of the above".

Pete Mack · October 18, 2020, 21:25

Star has a good activation. Phial recharge time is too short once you get a little speed, and in any case most spellcasters don't need it at all. In contrast, rods of mapping are a pretty late find.

wobbly · October 19, 2020, 05:57

The activate is good but its actually a lot smaller radius then a staff of mapping.

klassik · October 19, 2020, 06:16

awesome choices for poll

tangar · October 19, 2020, 11:47

the poll is funny.. but it doesn't have obvious answer - leave it as it is, which I would vote for. Star of Elendil is useful and I use it often at the beginning.

Pete Mack · October 19, 2020, 14:09

The poll--which I hadn't actually looked at til now, since "I never answer polls"--is entirely a successful troll.

Hounded · October 19, 2020, 21:19

It needs something. I almost inevitably stick with the Phial or an enchantern until the Arkenstone appears.

I do still miss the Palantir though.

drquicksilver · October 20, 2020, 11:12

I use Elendil if I find it, on a class which has access to its own light spell (because it saves the weight of a staff of mapping or a slot for a rod of magic mapping if I've even found that yet).

On a class without access to a light spell or a magic mapping spell, I'll still use Elendil+Illumination over Phial+Magic Mapping.

So to me it seems useful?

Sphara · October 20, 2020, 12:47

The Star is nice, but for me, it suffers from long recharging time. I want to be able map several times on a level and you can't do that with Elendil. Not without resting a lot. This especially, when there are rock digging monsters on the level (final fight!). Stack of Mapping items is usually my choice. A staff of mapping, while heavy, has high base charges and I don't think rods of mapping are that rare. Then there are different mapping spells and enlightenment potions...

Rough personal estimate:
90% of the time, Phial wins. 95% of the time, Lantern of True Sight wins. 99% of the time, Lantern of Shadows wins.

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October 18, 2020, 18:50	#1
wobbly Prophet Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 2,584	Star of Elendil vs lantern of True Sight Star of Elendil seems a bit pointless since lanterns of true sight were added. You'll generally find the lantern 1st and I'd much rather have rblind, unless its a dwarf.

October 18, 2020, 21:21	#2
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 57 Posts: 9,369 Donated: $60	I wanted to vote "all of the above". __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

October 19, 2020, 06:16	#5
klassik Apprentice Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: virginia, usa Posts: 85	awesome choices for poll __________________ He did the mash. He did the morgoth mash. The morgoth mash. It was an angband smash.

October 19, 2020, 11:47	#6
tangar Knight Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 957	the poll is funny.. but it doesn't have obvious answer - leave it as it is, which I would vote for. Star of Elendil is useful and I use it often at the beginning. __________________ https://tangaria.com - Angband multiplayer variant tangaria.com/variants - Angband variants table tangar.info - my website ⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽ My chars @ angband.oook.cz youtube.com/GameGlaz — streams in English ⍽ youtube.com/StreamGuild — streams in Russian

October 18, 2020, 21:25	#3
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,683 Donated: $40	Star has a good activation. Phial recharge time is too short once you get a little speed, and in any case most spellcasters don't need it at all. In contrast, rods of mapping are a pretty late find.

October 19, 2020, 05:57	#4
wobbly Prophet Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 2,584	The activate is good but its actually a lot smaller radius then a staff of mapping.

October 19, 2020, 14:09	#7
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,683 Donated: $40	The poll--which I hadn't actually looked at til now, since "I never answer polls"--is entirely a successful troll.

October 19, 2020, 21:19	#8
Hounded Adept Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Alberta Posts: 125	It needs something. I almost inevitably stick with the Phial or an enchantern until the Arkenstone appears. I do still miss the Palantir though. __________________ It Breathes. You die.

October 20, 2020, 11:12	#9
drquicksilver Scout Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 45	I use Elendil if I find it, on a class which has access to its own light spell (because it saves the weight of a staff of mapping or a slot for a rod of magic mapping if I've even found that yet). On a class without access to a light spell or a magic mapping spell, I'll still use Elendil+Illumination over Phial+Magic Mapping. So to me it seems useful?

October 20, 2020, 12:47	#10
Sphara Swordsman Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Finland Posts: 491	The Star is nice, but for me, it suffers from long recharging time. I want to be able map several times on a level and you can't do that with Elendil. Not without resting a lot. This especially, when there are rock digging monsters on the level (final fight!). Stack of Mapping items is usually my choice. A staff of mapping, while heavy, has high base charges and I don't think rods of mapping are that rare. Then there are different mapping spells and enlightenment potions... Rough personal estimate: 90% of the time, Phial wins. 95% of the time, Lantern of True Sight wins. 99% of the time, Lantern of Shadows wins.

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