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Old February 4, 2016, 19:26   #31
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This way lies madness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis. If you keep trying to min-max, then you won't fight until you have the One Ring, Deathwreaker, Feanor, Cubragol and Gondor.

Most of the stuff you have at home, dump. Drop all the swaps you have, except Belthronding and Narya.

Look for better boots of speed. If you get enough speed, swap in Narya.

Learn to accept that you are not looking to become invincible. Any number of players get down to the big boss fights and find them a pushover, as they've packed enough gear and consumables to fight both of them at once.
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Old February 4, 2016, 19:34   #32
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Any number of players get down to the big boss fights and find them a pushover, as they've packed enough gear and consumables to fight both of them at once.
Ha, now there's an idea: let Morgoth summon any unique he likes, whether or not they've been killed already. Including Sauron. Might spice things up a bit.
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Old February 4, 2016, 21:16   #33
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You can't hold out for particular upgrades to equipment. All the things you list just don't show up that often. Yes, better boots of speed (9 or 10) are likely. Yes, a somewhat better Ring of Speed, as is ammo for Belthronding. But Feanor, and the rest? You might find one or two of them, but they aren't likely to be significant upgrades from your current gear.
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Old February 4, 2016, 21:37   #34
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Ha, now there's an idea: let Morgoth summon any unique he likes, whether or not they've been killed already. Including Sauron. Might spice things up a bit.
I think most of would appreciate seeing Bullroarer, Grip, and Fang instead of some of the meaner uniques!
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Old February 4, 2016, 23:11   #35
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Something similar that I think would be quite interesting: Make it impossible to permanently kill the Ringwraiths until Sauron is killed, so he always has them available to summon.
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Old February 4, 2016, 23:48   #36
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*sigh* again, it's not that I'm holding out for some One True Equipment Loadout, nor do I expect to become invincible. I was just mentioning that there are a fair number of incremental upgrades possible, and that the prospect of seeing a couple of those improvements is one of several reasons I'm not immediately spamming stair creation down to L99.

There isn't any one particular piece of equipment I'm going to stall forever hoping to find, I just don't think it's unreasonable to think I may find a couple things along the way.
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Old February 5, 2016, 03:46   #37
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It's not unreasonable to think that. Personally, I *like* becoming as ridiculously overpowered as I possibly can.

Huge speed ring? Check. +10 boots? Check. Obscenely powerful shield that might as well be an artifact? Check. Power DSM? Check. Deathwreaker? Check. The One? Oh yeah. It's open season on Morgoth.
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Old February 5, 2016, 19:49   #38
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It's not unreasonable to think that. Personally, I *like* becoming as ridiculously overpowered as I possibly can.

Huge speed ring? Check. +10 boots? Check. Obscenely powerful shield that might as well be an artifact? Check. Power DSM? Check. Deathwreaker? Check. The One? Oh yeah. It's open season on Morgoth.
I must admit I'm a bit like that too... but I don't think I'll ever beat my Carsomyr character. Best Speed Ring ever (+23!), every high-level artifact (except FŽanor, but meh, who cares if you have +33 from one ring and Ringil), all RoPs, Ringil, etc.

The only character that I could imagine beating that would be a randart character who got even more ridiculously lucky. (I'm thinking two +2 attack rings and perhaps another +1 attack off-hand or something like that.) I must admit to scumming randart spoilers for quite a bit just for the hell of it, too.

(But, hey, at least it's not like ToME 2 with its +10 attack rings. Unfortunately, the limited set of artifacts is a big turn-off for playing Vanilla for me... I really like the feeling of unlimited potential in T2.)
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Old February 5, 2016, 22:33   #39
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The only character that I could imagine beating that would be a randart character who got even more ridiculously lucky. (I'm thinking two +2 attack rings and perhaps another +1 attack off-hand or something like that.) I must admit to scumming randart spoilers for quite a bit just for the hell of it, too.
Do +2 attack rings even get generated any more? I thought +1 attacks on its own was considered to be roughly on par with a Ring of Power.
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Old February 6, 2016, 05:28   #40
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*sigh* again, it's not that I'm holding out for some One True Equipment Loadout, nor do I expect to become invincible. I was just mentioning that there are a fair number of incremental upgrades possible, and that the prospect of seeing a couple of those improvements is one of several reasons I'm not immediately spamming stair creation down to L99.

There isn't any one particular piece of equipment I'm going to stall forever hoping to find, I just don't think it's unreasonable to think I may find a couple things along the way.
Then I don't think you're having trouble transitioning to the late game. Maybe trouble balancing risk-reward? But the subtext I hear is that you are pursuing the slow downward approach purely for the fun of the game. Who could argue with that? Have fun and good luck to you!
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