Request: Change text on enchantment

fizzix · May 2, 2010, 23:13

This isn't a big deal at all, but it's something that's always bothered me.

When you enchant any piece of equipment you get the following message:

'The xxx glows'

If the enchantment fails you then get:

'The enchantment failed'

Why not have:

'The xxx glows' only if the enchantment succeeds and 'The enchantment failed' only when it fails? I don't know the history behind this, but I don't see what purpose the glowing serves beyond telling you what piece of equipment you attempted to enchant.

d_m · May 3, 2010, 10:12

I think having "The XYZ glows brightly" only if it works is good, but I do think putting the item name into the failure message would be important--otherwise you could waste a bunch of scrolls trying to enchant a +15/+15 sword, for instance.

Maybe "The XYZ glows brightly" and "The XYZ resists enchantment"?

fizzix · May 3, 2010, 14:26

seems fine to me.

Hariolor · May 4, 2010, 02:45

"resists enchantment" may imply, especially to a new player, that enchantment is impossible for that item

maybe "you fail to enchant XYZ" is clearer?

Tiburon Silverflame · May 4, 2010, 17:16

It also might suggest that XYZ might resist *disenchantment*. Hariolor's right: "You fail to enchant XYZ" is a simple statement of fact; it says nothing about why it failed. "The XYZ resists enchantment" *does* discuss why it failed. It's a true statement for an artifact...but not for the typical case of trying to raise +5 armor to +6 armor, and it just didn't take. I don't know that we need 2 different failure messages...one for artifacts, one for non-artifacts....

Rizwan · May 5, 2010, 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiburon Silverflame

It's a true statement for an artifact...

Is this true? I have successfully enchanted artifacts, but their plus values were less than 10 eg the to hit on glaive of pain. I think the resistance is just due to the plus value being above 10

Derakon · May 5, 2010, 06:36

Artifacts have an extra coin-flip test to avoid enchanting (in addition to the standard difficulty of enchanting items). This goes with their innate ability to resist being disenchanted (60% of the time).

Rizwan · May 5, 2010, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon

Artifacts have an extra coin-flip test to avoid enchanting (in addition to the standard difficulty of enchanting items). This goes with their innate ability to resist being disenchanted (60% of the time).

Ah. Ok thanks. I did not know that. I just thought it was the RNG being itself, but I was able to enchant a few other artifacts that were below +9.

May 2, 2010, 23:13	#1
fizzix Prophet Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Madison, Wisconsin, US Posts: 3,025	Request: Change text on enchantment This isn't a big deal at all, but it's something that's always bothered me. When you enchant any piece of equipment you get the following message: 'The xxx glows' If the enchantment fails you then get: 'The enchantment failed' Why not have: 'The xxx glows' only if the enchantment succeeds and 'The enchantment failed' only when it fails? I don't know the history behind this, but I don't see what purpose the glowing serves beyond telling you what piece of equipment you attempted to enchant.

May 3, 2010, 10:12	#2
d_m Angband Devteam member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Age: 42 Posts: 1,516	I think having "The XYZ glows brightly" only if it works is good, but I do think putting the item name into the failure message would be important--otherwise you could waste a bunch of scrolls trying to enchant a +15/+15 sword, for instance. Maybe "The XYZ glows brightly" and "The XYZ resists enchantment"? __________________ linux->xterm->screen->pmacs

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May 3, 2010, 14:26	#3
fizzix Prophet Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Madison, Wisconsin, US Posts: 3,025	seems fine to me.

May 4, 2010, 02:45	#4
Hariolor Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 289	"resists enchantment" may imply, especially to a new player, that enchantment is impossible for that item maybe "you fail to enchant XYZ" is clearer?

May 4, 2010, 17:16	#5
Tiburon Silverflame Swordsman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 405	It also might suggest that XYZ might resist disenchantment. Hariolor's right: "You fail to enchant XYZ" is a simple statement of fact; it says nothing about why it failed. "The XYZ resists enchantment" does discuss why it failed. It's a true statement for an artifact...but not for the typical case of trying to raise +5 armor to +6 armor, and it just didn't take. I don't know that we need 2 different failure messages...one for artifacts, one for non-artifacts....

May 5, 2010, 06:36	#7
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,022	Artifacts have an extra coin-flip test to avoid enchanting (in addition to the standard difficulty of enchanting items). This goes with their innate ability to resist being disenchanted (60% of the time).

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