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Old June 27, 2020, 23:23   #11
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I haven't played 4.2.1 yet, but if memory serves, Morgoth has been switched from a P to an A symbolically which makes sense based on Tolkien lore.
No, Sauron was a fallen Ainur, so he is an A, as is Saruman; Morgoth is a fallen Valar, not an Ainur.
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Old June 27, 2020, 23:29   #12
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No, Sauron was a fallen Ainur, so he is an A, as is Saruman; Morgoth is a fallen Valar, not an Ainur.
Actually the Ainur consisted of the Valar and the Maiar. Sauron was a (particularly powerful) Maia, Morgoth was a Vala. So Morgoth could be an A as well - in Sil he's a V for Vala - but keeping him as P seemed valid because he was stuck in the form of a giant after putting most of his power into corrupting Middle-Earth. Clear?
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Old June 28, 2020, 00:54   #13
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Actually the Ainur consisted of the Valar and the Maiar. Sauron was a (particularly powerful) Maia, Morgoth was a Vala. So Morgoth could be an A as well - in Sil he's a V for Vala - but keeping him as P seemed valid because he was stuck in the form of a giant after putting most of his power into corrupting Middle-Earth. Clear?
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Fingolfin has been avenged at last!
Noldorian's plan to turn a staff of *Destruction* or 2 into arrows right before the final fight paid off as he finally got his hand on some arrows (mithril) of Holy Might.

First @ of mine to win since Moria back in the early 90's...
I've killed the Balrog, but I'd never killed Sauron let alone Morgoth.

(is 4.2.1 ready for prime time?)
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