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Grotug · December 30, 2021, 14:26

Welcome back! I love playing with sound, too. I play a lot of Rangers; not for the spells, but because unbreakable ammo is fun, and extra shots with character level ups for all launchers (not just bows) is also fun. Iron shots and pebbles don't break anymore and I think they are immune to acid as well. I still think they should have a breakability of 1 or 2 percent, while bolts should be further reduced to 10% and arrows to 15% (and/or mithril ammo should be twice as durable as non mithril ammo).

I am terrible at new Angband, though. So many early deaths; enemies are much more dangerous than they used to be. Congrats on your win; do you understand how movement speed works? I find Warriors harder to play in latest version of Angband as compared to 4.1.3 and earlier.

hyperdex · December 30, 2021, 15:21

Thanks for the tips! I look forward to trying some of the new classes once my current character (almost inevitably) YASDs.

To be clear, I have yet to win with 4.2.3. My last win was 4.1.2 and I had a couple of older wins where I have lost the records.

Currently I have a dwarven warrior at level 50 puttering around the 60s looking for uniques to kill and vaults to plunder. Telepathy and the monster list in a term window is really useful for tracking down most of the uniques. Aglarang is a nice powerful weapon with which I have won the game before, so I am happy there. My AC is terrible mostly because I need to stick with Himring for rPoison. I lack rSound (like my previous char) so I am avoiding great wyrms of thunder and the like. I would like to reorganize, but my hands are a little tied.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=24818

Bogatyr · December 30, 2021, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Mack

Getting mana is easy: just pick a fight with someone weaker. Blackguard uses spells often, to aggravate awake monsters, and to stun in battle. He also uses spells to get more than one blow starting CL 20. (Though Whirlwind attack agajnst a single enemy does seem pretty silly.)

I'll have to try again. I fought all the time, and between every fight my mana always dropped to zero. Maybe I didn't try long enough or deep enough...

Pete Mack · December 30, 2021, 17:55

I agree that starting blackguard is a serious slog.

Hounded · December 30, 2021, 20:36

I'd have to say Blackguard is arguably my favorite class now. With mana you need to get out of the "horde it for when I need it" mindset and instead use it as soon as it's available. I conduct myself in what feels like a perpetual headlong rush from one victim to the next before my mana all converts to HP.

Summoning curses can actually be nice for them as an occasional skeleton (or whatever) popping up is a nice mana boost if you're down to nothing. Rings of open wounds or anything with aggravation also complement the class nicely.

Pete Mack · December 30, 2021, 20:56

Hounded-
That swap of horde/hoard *really* through me for a loop! I was expecting tactics for fighting trolls.

Hounded · December 31, 2021, 05:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Mack

Hounded-
That swap of horde/hoard *really* through me for a loop! I was expecting tactics for fighting trolls.

LOL Blasted android assistant. Made all the more entertaining for my own obsessive tendencies around the use of the language. Irony is beautiful.

Pete Mack · December 31, 2021, 15:17

D'oh! And in the same message, i misspelled threw!

Bogatyr · January 4, 2022, 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hounded

I'd have to say Blackguard is arguably my favorite class now. With mana you need to get out of the "horde it for when I need it" mindset and instead use it as soon as it's available. I conduct myself in what feels like a perpetual headlong rush from one victim to the next before my mana all converts to HP.

Summoning curses can actually be nice for them as an occasional skeleton (or whatever) popping up is a nice mana boost if you're down to nothing. Rings of open wounds or anything with aggravation also complement the class nicely.

I finally got a (Dwarf, pretty good race for a BG) blackguard off the ground. It would help if there were some sort of "mechanics FAQ" for all the classes. E.g., I wasn't aware previously that a BG casting heals some HP.

Blackguard is definitely fun and a big change from my usual style of super-stealthy pick-n-choose-fights low-HP mages.

p.s. Hold Monster has a whole new meaning with BG: "Where you going, buddy?! Hahaha!"

sffp · January 5, 2022, 19:41

Make sure you stun a lot
It is your friend.
I was having trouble with Morgoth as a BG - until I realized that stun worked on him too!

December 30, 2021, 14:26	#11
Grotug Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,556	Welcome back! I love playing with sound, too. I play a lot of Rangers; not for the spells, but because unbreakable ammo is fun, and extra shots with character level ups for all launchers (not just bows) is also fun. Iron shots and pebbles don't break anymore and I think they are immune to acid as well. I still think they should have a breakability of 1 or 2 percent, while bolts should be further reduced to 10% and arrows to 15% (and/or mithril ammo should be twice as durable as non mithril ammo). I am terrible at new Angband, though. So many early deaths; enemies are much more dangerous than they used to be. Congrats on your win; do you understand how movement speed works? I find Warriors harder to play in latest version of Angband as compared to 4.1.3 and earlier. __________________ Beginner's Guide to Angband 4.2.3 Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9c9e2wMngM Detailed account of my Ironman win here. "My guess is that Grip and Fang have many more kills than Gothmog and Lungorthin." --Fizzix

December 30, 2021, 20:36	#15
Hounded Adept Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Alberta Posts: 126	I'd have to say Blackguard is arguably my favorite class now. With mana you need to get out of the "horde it for when I need it" mindset and instead use it as soon as it's available. I conduct myself in what feels like a perpetual headlong rush from one victim to the next before my mana all converts to HP. Summoning curses can actually be nice for them as an occasional skeleton (or whatever) popping up is a nice mana boost if you're down to nothing. Rings of open wounds or anything with aggravation also complement the class nicely. __________________ It Breathes. You die.

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December 30, 2021, 15:21	#12
hyperdex Scout Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 44	Thanks for the tips! I look forward to trying some of the new classes once my current character (almost inevitably) YASDs. To be clear, I have yet to win with 4.2.3. My last win was 4.1.2 and I had a couple of older wins where I have lost the records. Currently I have a dwarven warrior at level 50 puttering around the 60s looking for uniques to kill and vaults to plunder. Telepathy and the monster list in a term window is really useful for tracking down most of the uniques. Aglarang is a nice powerful weapon with which I have won the game before, so I am happy there. My AC is terrible mostly because I need to stick with Himring for rPoison. I lack rSound (like my previous char) so I am avoiding great wyrms of thunder and the like. I would like to reorganize, but my hands are a little tied. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=24818

December 30, 2021, 17:55	#14
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	I agree that starting blackguard is a serious slog.

December 30, 2021, 20:56	#16
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	Hounded- That swap of horde/hoard really through me for a loop! I was expecting tactics for fighting trolls.

December 31, 2021, 15:17	#18
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,726 Donated: $40	D'oh! And in the same message, i misspelled threw!

January 5, 2022, 19:41	#20
sffp Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: DC Area Posts: 377	Make sure you stun a lot It is your friend. I was having trouble with Morgoth as a BG - until I realized that stun worked on him too!

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