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Old February 20, 2014, 17:38   #11
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Yesterday's attempt was with my old gloves and a RoD+15. I think things will go better with the new gloves. I think I will switch back in the RoD in order to get the big damage.

I still am going to look for source of Healing and possible a big *Slay Evil* weapon. Then I will feel ready to take him on.
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Old February 20, 2014, 18:04   #12
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And, btw, I believe Timo meant, immunities help against summoned monsters by Morgoth so that you won't use to on them necessarily.
(Rerailing from the wrong thread) Given the choice between immunity and damage (all else being equal), damage is the right decision every time unless there's a big monster themed to that element nearby, in which case you use the immunity as a swap item for that one fight. Damage is useful in every fight; immunity is, statistically, useful in less than 25% of fights.
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Old February 20, 2014, 18:08   #13
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(Rerailing from the wrong thread) Given the choice between immunity and damage (all else being equal), damage is the right decision every time unless there's a big monster themed to that element nearby, in which case you use the immunity as a swap item for that one fight. Damage is useful in every fight; immunity is, statistically, useful in less than 25% of fights.
There are some edge cases where this may not be true. If most of your damage is with missiles, then fire/acid immunity is extremely useful to keep your arrows and bolts from being destroyed.
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Old February 21, 2014, 00:42   #14
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Timo: why the heck would immunities matter against Morgoth?
Against summons. One of the Morgoth summons is ancient dragons. Resistances don't matter much, but immunities do because they render some of the summons completely harmless.

I would not suggest that otherwise, but that's two immunities from one slot. I think it is worth if the sacrifice to other stuff isn't too big.
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Old February 21, 2014, 01:59   #15
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Against summons. One of the Morgoth summons is ancient dragons. Resistances don't matter much, but immunities do because they render some of the summons completely harmless.

I would not suggest that otherwise, but that's two immunities from one slot. I think it is worth if the sacrifice to other stuff isn't too big.
Ehh, I can't help but think that the odds of Morgoth pulling a summon that is completely neutered by having an immunity are low enough that I'd much, much prefer to wear the damage ring. You know that will be useful.
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Old February 21, 2014, 02:46   #16
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As I see it, the point is that he WILL do it eventually (especially if you have two or more immunities from a ring of power), and once he does, there's no room for any harmful summons to stand, so you can just stand there hitting M and quaffing.
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Old February 21, 2014, 04:31   #17
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Just tried taking on Morgoth again. This time I got him down to 4 stars before I had to bail. I used 9 non-replenishable Healings, so back to the grind for me...

I have switched in a Caestus of Power (+4, +8) <+4> so that is helping my damage output. After thinking it over, I really doubt I am going to find a better weapon than my bastard sword. In order to match its power against Morgoth with a non artifact Slay Evil weapon, I would need a +21 Mace of Disruption, a +26 Scythe of Slicing, or a +30 Blade of Chaos. These may exist, but they are almost certainly hard to find. I am better off looking for a large damage dice artifact with slay evil and extra attacks. This assumes that the best slay evil we can get is x2. Looking over the source code, I believe that to be the case.
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Old February 21, 2014, 04:32   #18
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Also, I just uploaded my most recent char dump to the ladder. Is there a way to link to it from here?
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Old February 21, 2014, 06:20   #19
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Yeah, here's the link to hyperdex's character dump
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After thinking it over, I really doubt I am going to find a better weapon than my bastard sword. In order to match its power against Morgoth with a non artifact Slay Evil weapon, I would need a +21 Mace of Disruption, a +26 Scythe of Slicing, or a +30 Blade of Chaos.
HA MoD would be nice. Or two extra blows with high bonus. MoD is heavy, so you would get quite a few massive critical hits.

Your weapon is great, so you don't *need* better weapon, but those do exist. Just keep eye on big three.

OTOH with 7 blows all off-weapon bonuses mean more than with 5 blows, so increase your damage. That Caestus of Power (+4, +8) <+4> is great find.
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