The Phial of Galadriel

Amplify · October 1, 2013, 15:51

I haven't played in around 6 years now but I'm grinding a new wizard up carefully, looking for the The Phial of Galadriel and having absolutely zero luck finding it. Seriously, I've mostly been wandering around floor 9 for two weeks now and I gotta figure the rates for it dropping have been drastically changed.

I can't really complain or say I've been unlucky, because out of desperation I just went down to floor 26 to find better items, found a Scroll of Acquirement by the stairs, read it int he hopes of finding something decent and ended up with this as the first artifact I've found so far in the run. Something feel pretty wrong if I can find that but not the Phial. Did the rates for it being generated get turned waaaaaaay down or something?

Grotug · November 11, 2013, 03:01

I've found Galadrial's phial in my last game and current game, I think level 12 on the last game and in my current game I found it on level 15.

debo · November 11, 2013, 03:13

I think phial recently got changed so it's not a must-find anymore?

Edit: also, randomness

Edit2: OK I think i made up the phial being changed thing

Derakon · November 11, 2013, 03:30

The Phial is nowhere near as common as it used to be. Back in the old days if you hadn't found it by 500' then your game was an outlier. These days you're expected to upgrade from torch to lantern to Phial, with each one lasting 500-700' or so. So nowadays it's more unusual if you haven't found the Phial by 1500', not 500'.

Heck, sometimes you find an enchanted lantern that's better than the Phial (e.g. because it gives See Invisible). That always feels kind of weird.

Philip · November 11, 2013, 20:48

Actually debo was right, it is not as important anymore. It's now two light radius with the activation unchanged. A lantern of everburning does almost all of that, a lantern of brightness has more light radius but needs to be refilled, and See Invisible is just good.

Derakon · November 11, 2013, 20:54

3.5 restores the Phial's radius to 3, at least. Lanterns of True Seeing are probably too good though; at the very least they don't need to provide protection from blindness.

Philip · November 11, 2013, 21:10

Nice to know. Yeah, true seeing sems powerful in comparison, since light radius matters, but not that much. What is important is knowing what you are next to, and what you are walking into, for the rest (targetting) you'll want to be in a lit room, or you'll want to have some more longrange method of seeing the monster, while pblind on a lantern is thematic, but powerful.

AnonymousHero · November 13, 2013, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon

3.5 restores the Phial's radius to 3, at least. Lanterns of True Seeing are probably too good though; at the very least they don't need to provide protection from blindness.

I actually like certain ego items being better than (low-level) artifacts, but maybe that's just me.

Derakon · November 13, 2013, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonymousHero

I actually like certain ego items being better than (low-level) artifacts, but maybe that's just me.

This is fine, but Lanterns of True Seeing have pretty good odds of showing up before you find the Phial, and that is always a letdown. The Phial is a pretty iconic item, and to have it show up only after it is no longer useful is disappointing.

My advice would be to move True Seeing deeper into the dungeon.

Khuzdul · December 5, 2014, 02:18

I've got the Phial from Wormtounge, Azog and just found it! It comes up it random places all over the shop, but I find it really useful. You're best shot is to try and get it from Wormtounge, I reckon. I've also gotten Sting and The Small Metal Shield of Thorin from him, so I know he definatly DOES drop artifacts.

Even if he doesn't you'll still get something pretty nifty.

October 1, 2013, 15:51	#1
Amplify Rookie Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1	The Phial of Galadriel I haven't played in around 6 years now but I'm grinding a new wizard up carefully, looking for the The Phial of Galadriel and having absolutely zero luck finding it. Seriously, I've mostly been wandering around floor 9 for two weeks now and I gotta figure the rates for it dropping have been drastically changed. I can't really complain or say I've been unlucky, because out of desperation I just went down to floor 26 to find better items, found a Scroll of Acquirement by the stairs, read it int he hopes of finding something decent and ended up with this as the first artifact I've found so far in the run. Something feel pretty wrong if I can find that but not the Phial. Did the rates for it being generated get turned waaaaaaay down or something?

November 11, 2013, 03:13	#3
debo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,386	I think phial recently got changed so it's not a must-find anymore? Edit: also, randomness Edit2: OK I think i made up the phial being changed thing __________________ Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.' Last edited by debo; November 11, 2013 at 03:19.

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November 11, 2013, 03:01	#2
Grotug Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,401	I've found Galadrial's phial in my last game and current game, I think level 12 on the last game and in my current game I found it on level 15.

November 11, 2013, 03:30	#4
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,024	The Phial is nowhere near as common as it used to be. Back in the old days if you hadn't found it by 500' then your game was an outlier. These days you're expected to upgrade from torch to lantern to Phial, with each one lasting 500-700' or so. So nowadays it's more unusual if you haven't found the Phial by 1500', not 500'. Heck, sometimes you find an enchanted lantern that's better than the Phial (e.g. because it gives See Invisible). That always feels kind of weird.

November 11, 2013, 20:48	#5
Philip Knight Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Prague,Czech Republic Posts: 909	Actually debo was right, it is not as important anymore. It's now two light radius with the activation unchanged. A lantern of everburning does almost all of that, a lantern of brightness has more light radius but needs to be refilled, and See Invisible is just good.

November 11, 2013, 20:54	#6
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,024	3.5 restores the Phial's radius to 3, at least. Lanterns of True Seeing are probably too good though; at the very least they don't need to provide protection from blindness.

November 11, 2013, 21:10	#7
Philip Knight Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Prague,Czech Republic Posts: 909	Nice to know. Yeah, true seeing sems powerful in comparison, since light radius matters, but not that much. What is important is knowing what you are next to, and what you are walking into, for the rest (targetting) you'll want to be in a lit room, or you'll want to have some more longrange method of seeing the monster, while pblind on a lantern is thematic, but powerful.

December 5, 2014, 02:18	#10
Khuzdul Scout Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 27	I've got the Phial from Wormtounge, Azog and just found it! It comes up it random places all over the shop, but I find it really useful. You're best shot is to try and get it from Wormtounge, I reckon. I've also gotten Sting and The Small Metal Shield of Thorin from him, so I know he definatly DOES drop artifacts. Even if he doesn't you'll still get something pretty nifty.

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