Reduce the satiation gained from Healing and *Healing*

Sphara · May 17, 2020, 18:44

Seriously.
I had no Mushrooms of Purging and there were none in the 1 shop before the last fight. I know I should've probably stored those at home. But going bulimic before the last fight, just because bigger healing potions stuff you more than 1%, is just f*%&ing stupid. It's a major warrior nerf and makes you rely completely on luck if you don't happen to have something like natural +40 speed.

Got a win by sheer luck, fighting Morgoth with +16 speed.

EDIT: Admittedly, getting Mushrooms of Purging appear in a general store, was my suggestion

Ingwe Ingweron · May 17, 2020, 20:36

I'm in full agreement. Having Hunger be relevant is fine by me, but the balance needs some work.

spara · May 17, 2020, 21:05

I find it kind of amusing that most of the time my warrior is on a liquid diet. No need for other sources of nutrition.

archolewa · May 18, 2020, 00:03

I don't recall having such problems with my most recent warrior, though I usually try to get my satiation around 75% (resting for a bunch of turns in town if I have to) before descending. The only times I've ever run into the satiation problem with potions is the early game when I'm phasing away and throwing back Cure Light Wounds while fighting tough uniques.

Sky · May 18, 2020, 00:21

i'm pretty sure that Nick has already this planned for the next release which should be fairly soon.

Nick · May 18, 2020, 02:56

OK, so you have a meter at the bottom showing your current hunger level to the nearest 1%, every piece of food tells you how much it's going to affect that meter, you know how many healing potions you have and how much they fill you up (1%) - isn't it just a small amount of planning plus arithmetic?

EDIT: Possibly that is a little harsh, but I think the point is valid

DavidMedley · May 21, 2020, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

OK, so you have a meter at the bottom showing your current hunger level to the nearest 1%, every piece of food tells you how much it's going to affect that meter, you know how many healing potions you have and how much they fill you up (1%) - isn't it just a small amount of planning plus arithmetic?

EDIT: Possibly that is a little harsh, but I think the point is valid

Healing and *HEALING* increase by 2% and 3%. Which is not at all to dispute your main point.

I'll suggest again that all potions should nourish the same amount. I don't picture *HEALING* being 3x larger than CLW, just more potent. Also, they weigh the same.

Sphara · May 21, 2020, 15:52

I could live with 2% and 3% fill rates during the game, even when I had that dumb-ass Slow Digestion (Vilya). But before the final fight, I was a little under 70% satiation level in town after Sauron-fight. Ofc no mushrooms of purging were in shops. So I should have ´R´ested for several thousand turns, right?

Just reduce the satiation level of bigger healing potions to 1%. Current system ruins warrior endgame!

This ofc is all subjective. I hate food mini-game anyway and would cheer to see it gone, but I know it´s not going to happen.

Thraalbee · May 21, 2020, 21:32

Slow digestion could be changed to improved digestion and double burn food when over a certain limit. That would be helpful instead of near curse

Nick · May 21, 2020, 22:49

OK, sorry, I was completely missing that the big healing potions satiated more (don't ask me how). They can come down to 1. In fact, would anyone care if Healing and *Healing* didn't nourish at all?

May 17, 2020, 18:44	#1
Sphara Swordsman Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Finland Posts: 486	Reduce the satiation gained from Healing and Healing Seriously. I had no Mushrooms of Purging and there were none in the 1 shop before the last fight. I know I should've probably stored those at home. But going bulimic before the last fight, just because bigger healing potions stuff you more than 1%, is just f%&ing stupid. It's a major warrior nerf and makes you rely completely on luck if you don't happen to have something like natural +40 speed. Got a win by sheer luck, fighting Morgoth with +16 speed. EDIT: Admittedly, getting Mushrooms of Purging appear in a general store, was my suggestion Last edited by Sphara; May 17, 2020 at 19:41.*

May 17, 2020, 20:36	#2
Ingwe Ingweron Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 2,115	I'm in full agreement. Having Hunger be relevant is fine by me, but the balance needs some work. __________________ “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.” ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

May 18, 2020, 00:21	#5
Sky Veteran Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: London-ish Age: 49 Posts: 2,071	i'm pretty sure that Nick has already this planned for the next release which should be fairly soon. __________________ "i can take this dracolich"

May 18, 2020, 02:56	#6
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 56 Posts: 9,350 Donated: $60	OK, so you have a meter at the bottom showing your current hunger level to the nearest 1%, every piece of food tells you how much it's going to affect that meter, you know how many healing potions you have and how much they fill you up (1%) - isn't it just a small amount of planning plus arithmetic? EDIT: Possibly that is a little harsh, but I think the point is valid __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. Last edited by Nick; May 18, 2020 at 03:42. Reason: Coffee

May 21, 2020, 22:49	#10
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 56 Posts: 9,350 Donated: $60	OK, sorry, I was completely missing that the big healing potions satiated more (don't ask me how). They can come down to 1. In fact, would anyone care if Healing and Healing didn't nourish at all? __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

May 17, 2020, 21:05	#3
spara Adept Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 235	I find it kind of amusing that most of the time my warrior is on a liquid diet. No need for other sources of nutrition.

May 18, 2020, 00:03	#4
archolewa Swordsman Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Midwest Age: 34 Posts: 395	I don't recall having such problems with my most recent warrior, though I usually try to get my satiation around 75% (resting for a bunch of turns in town if I have to) before descending. The only times I've ever run into the satiation problem with potions is the early game when I'm phasing away and throwing back Cure Light Wounds while fighting tough uniques.

May 21, 2020, 15:52	#8
Sphara Swordsman Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Finland Posts: 486	I could live with 2% and 3% fill rates during the game, even when I had that dumb-ass Slow Digestion (Vilya). But before the final fight, I was a little under 70% satiation level in town after Sauron-fight. Ofc no mushrooms of purging were in shops. So I should have ´R´ested for several thousand turns, right? Just reduce the satiation level of bigger healing potions to 1%. Current system ruins warrior endgame! This ofc is all subjective. I hate food mini-game anyway and would cheer to see it gone, but I know it´s not going to happen.

May 21, 2020, 21:32	#9
Thraalbee Knight Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm Posts: 687	Slow digestion could be changed to improved digestion and double burn food when over a certain limit. That would be helpful instead of near curse

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