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Old March 14, 2014, 05:30   #21
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I wish I had save scummed this so that I could find out if I would double hit Morgoth at +50 speed. Which I sort of doubt.
No speed is enough to give you twice the speed of Morgoth. +70 is max speed game handles and it gives you "only" 49/38 energy advantage, IE double-move every three or four moves. At +50 you have only 45/38 advantage which is double-move every five or six moves.
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Old March 14, 2014, 15:35   #22
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No speed is enough to give you twice the speed of Morgoth. +70 is max speed game handles and it gives you "only" 49/38 energy advantage, IE double-move every three or four moves. At +50 you have only 45/38 advantage which is double-move every five or six moves.
Hmm, well I got enough double moves that it made the fight pretty easy. Granted I did fall to 470 hps or so at one point. Which was sloppy of me.
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Old March 16, 2014, 08:18   #23
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+50 speed have to include RoS, maybe two. You have to ask which swap is better, RoS to RoDam or Ringil to Pain (if that is an option).

(4d5*2) (basically anything you care about are at least evil) + 25 + RoDam or 9d6 + 30. I think Ringil beats pretty much anything if you can do that swap with it.
You're forgetting the (9d6 + 30) * 2, * 3, frequently, it's a heavy weapon and it produces frequent criticals.
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Old March 16, 2014, 17:26   #24
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You're forgetting the (9d6 + 30) * 2, * 3, frequently, it's a heavy weapon and it produces frequent criticals.
Did a bit testing. With RoDam +14 -> RoS +10 swap and clvl 50 maxed out warrior Ringil beats Pain even with just slay evil, but OTOH warrior doesn't get max blows with Pain (5.5 vs 6). Same with Ranger gives Pain a tiny edge over Ringil against evil, but it loses against most other things.

Just for fun I created an MoD of Extra Attacks +2. Against undeads that beats both of those artifacts easily. Over 1000 points of damage against undeads and about 60 points more damage than Pain against everything (with Ranger). Loses to Ringil against those that Ringil gets proper slay except that undead obviously. Good thing we don't have those acid-branding rings anymore. Ditto for Fury-weapons. Those were way too powerful combo with big three.
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