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Old March 19, 2015, 23:18   #1
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Ego items that are better than artifacts

I just found I pair of leather sandels of speed <+8> on level 41. These are a lot better than the artifacts footware I have found in my experiace around these levels. How often do you guys find ego items that are better than artifacts you tend to find around those levels?
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Old March 20, 2015, 06:04   #2
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It happens every so often; there are many ego items which can turn out quite useful.
I remember some robes of permanence that turned up on early levels.
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Old March 20, 2015, 07:14   #3
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The dumps from the recent artifact-less Vanilla competition is a good source for browsing combinations of excellent ego items.

http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=169
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Old March 20, 2015, 10:52   #4
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Cloaks of the Magi that come with ESP are especially awesome (for mages at least) because they free up the need for ESP in the helmet or amulet slot, allowing you to focus on the best resistance/stat-boosting items for those instead.

Power Dragon Scale Mail is always an awesome find.
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Old March 20, 2015, 14:51   #5
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Cloaks of the Magi that come with ESP are especially awesome
Anything with ESP is a great find because ESP is great. Lordliness crowns, crowns of magi, cloaks of magi, big-dice weapon of *slay evil*, lothlorien bows.

Lordliness and magi crowns especially for their respective classes, because they also sustain the stat.

Crown of might <+3> is also great find, but now that those can have multiple pvals it's hard to find one with +3 to all three stats.
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Old March 20, 2015, 15:46   #6
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Even a basic Crown of Might can be very handy for the sustains, especially if you plan on meleeing Morgoth.

Boots of Speed frequently outclass all other boots the player finds, since basically the only things that outclass them are unusually high-rolling Boots of Elvenkind (which can get speed, though usually less than normal Boots of Speed, but also get stealth), and the boots of Feanor. Cloaks are also a good slot for finding an ego item that's better than any artifact you have, if only because Elvenkind/Magi cloaks can have random attributes that happen to plug a hole in your gear, while the artifact cloaks tend to give similar abilities as body armor/helms/etc. get.
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Old March 20, 2015, 15:55   #7
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Extra attacks, Holy Might, Defenders, Lothlorien bows, Buckland slings, even Slay Evil weapons can often outperform artifacts. @ class can have a big impact on the decision. For example, an awesome artifact weapon that in the hands of a warrior has 6 blows, in the hands of a mage with only 4 blows can easily be outperformed by a decent extra attacks weapon. A great buckland sling can outperform just about any artifact launcher except for bows in the hands of a ranger. Some fantastic Lothlorien bows can even outperform Belthronding, no matter what class is using them. So, in a long-winded way, the answer is, it depends.
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Old July 9, 2015, 19:43   #8
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I just found Green Dragon Scale Mail of Speed (+5). Better than Caspanion? Less AC, but would also cover the RPoison hole left by ditching Cospanion...
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Old July 9, 2015, 21:52   #9
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since basically the only things that outclass them are unusually high-rolling Boots of Elvenkind (which can get speed, though usually less than normal Boots of Speed, but also get stealth)
This was changed recently. Elvenkind get the exact same speed distribution as speed. They're just rarer and deeper.
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Old July 9, 2015, 23:23   #10
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This was changed recently. Elvenkind get the exact same speed distribution as speed. They're just rarer and deeper.
I think Elvenkind boots have a limit of +9 to speed (+4 stealth), whereas plain Boots of Speed have a limit of +10 speed. That one point usually isn't enough to merit changing out of those most excellent {superb} Elvenkind boots, if you've been lucky enough to find such a pair, unless you also have Aggravate making the stealth fairly irrelevant (or you're incredibly lucky and find the boots of Feanor).
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