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Old February 13, 2011, 15:03   #21
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In my experience, as long as you're aware of the graveyard, you can stay away from it and not have the monsters come after you. This probably requires a bigger detection radius than just ESP though. In other word, the presence of a graveyard means "tread carefully, and don't teleport", not "get off the level ASAP". That's only if you get too close and everything starts chasing you. From my reading of monster.txt, "too close" is 20 tiles, the awareness range of said reavers.
I agree. I don't consider myself to be that good a player, but graveyards have never made me skip the level. if I'm feeling weak and the graveyard particularly strong, I'll just avoid it, otherwise I'll often make a plan to try to deal with it. I try and approach from the right side, pull out a few creatures at a time. get the pass-wall types out (arch-liches I often find very hard work). try not to annoy the reavers too much, pelt the inside with ball spells for the druj's etcetc.

a graveyard is a scary thing, and typically the focus of the level, but it's not an instant "run away" affair.

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Old February 13, 2011, 17:39   #22
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I can just imagine it now -- the Morgoth Pit!

(More plausibly, imagine an Umber Hulk pit, or an Ethereal Hound pit, or an Archlich pit...)
Angband gives you plenty of ways to get away from stuff... heart attacks are good for you
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Old February 13, 2011, 18:26   #23
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Orc pits are exciting at DL80 if you aren't strong enough to kill anything else.

DL54 is the cutoff where snagas become worth killing, as stat potion drops come into depth. IMO orc pits are mostly a waste *before* DL54, not after, but probably that's just me. You should make sure that the depth where orc pits stop showing up is not in the late 50s or else there may be a couple of DLs that turn into a new semi-official stat gain depth.
It isn't just you--I like wiping out orcs at dl60+. Otherwise, what's the use of those staffs of dispel evil?

As for scary pits--you haven't lived until you try to take on an NPP 0.4.1 Hydra pit.
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Old February 13, 2011, 22:02   #24
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It isn't just you--I like wiping out orcs at dl60+. Otherwise, what's the use of those staffs of dispel evil?

As for scary pits--you haven't lived until you try to take on an NPP 0.4.1 Hydra pit.
For those that don't know what those pits are like, think Kavlax & Lernaean hydra offsprings that move faster than either of those.
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Old February 13, 2011, 23:53   #25
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And even if you do manage to kill the hydras, I suppose there's the additional hazard of drowning in gold coins?
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Out of curiousity, does anyone bother clearing out animal nests for the treasure?

I tried once but gave up because of the Qs.
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Old February 14, 2011, 15:42   #27
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Out of curiousity, does anyone bother clearing out animal nests for the treasure?

I tried once but gave up because of the Qs.
I have to admit, it bothers me that Qs are animals. A quivering pile of flesh counts as an animal?

I cleared out an animal nest recently, but it was partially because an Umber Hulk chewed through the walls and the animal pit mostly came to me.
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Old February 14, 2011, 15:43   #28
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Out of curiousity, does anyone bother clearing out animal nests for the treasure?

I tried once but gave up because of the Qs.
I clear them if there is something that I could possibly use. Q:s force me to do some trick shots and lots of digging to get in correct position, but I don't care.
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I have to admit, it bothers me that Qs are animals. A quivering pile of flesh counts as an animal?

I cleared out an animal nest recently, but it was partially because an Umber Hulk chewed through the walls and the animal pit mostly came to me.
Those things are dangerous at the point where Umber Hulks don't run away from you. Greater Basilisks and Dracolisks and lots of nasty hounds.
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I like pits, kill them all just for exp.
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