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Old January 11, 2010, 19:58   #11
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No. It serves *only* for abuse in ironman. No one should ever use it for any other reason. The only fix is to remove it.
Nope, don't agree with that. It's also a pretty decent escape spell in an emergency. Better than *destruction* if there aren't any artifacts on the floor.
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Old January 11, 2010, 20:14   #12
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Nope, don't agree with that. It's also a pretty decent escape spell in an emergency. Better than *destruction* if there aren't any artifacts on the floor.
How is it better than destruction?
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Old January 11, 2010, 20:37   #13
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How is it better than destruction?
Destruction makes a bloody mess of the level and wakes everything up for miles. Alter reality makes you a nice clean new level, full of new treasure and largely sleeping monsters.
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Old January 11, 2010, 20:59   #14
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Destruction makes a bloody mess of the level and wakes everything up for miles. Alter reality makes you a nice clean new level, full of new treasure and largely sleeping monsters.
As far as escaping goes, I still prefer destruction. After a destruction you have at least 4-5 turns, often as much as 20 (depending on speed and passwall monsters) to heal or recall. ?destruction is a failsafe way to survive when you are in a really bad place and need a couple turns to quaff !CCW or stall for recall.

It seems though that you agree with Eddie in that Alter Reality works just like Teleport level. The 1 level difference doesn't seem to matter much.
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Old January 11, 2010, 21:06   #15
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It seems though that you agree with Eddie in that Alter Reality works just like Teleport level. The 1 level difference doesn't seem to matter much.
I think Eddie's point is that Alter Reality == Teleport Level except it breaks Ironman because it doesn't move you down a level, which seems sloppy and unnecessary. Since Teleport Level already exists, what is the point of Alter Reality, if not to exploit Ironman mode? You could just give priests TL instead.
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Old January 11, 2010, 21:09   #16
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I think Eddie's point is that Alter Reality == Teleport Level except it breaks Ironman because it doesn't move you down a level, which seems sloppy and unnecessary. Since Teleport Level already exists, what is the point of Alter Reality, if not to exploit Ironman mode? You could just give priests TL instead.
They have TL. They get it 10 levels earlier and it costs 20 less SP.
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Old January 11, 2010, 21:28   #17
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Nope, don't agree with that. It's also a pretty decent escape spell in an emergency.
How is it any better than the cheaper TL which also has a lower failure rate? That was purely rhetorical. TL is obviously better.

I repeat. The *ONLY* purpose of alter reality is for abuse at ironman.
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Old January 11, 2010, 21:37   #18
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As far as escaping goes, I still prefer destruction. After a destruction you have at least 4-5 turns, often as much as 20 (depending on speed and passwall monsters) to heal or recall. ?destruction is a failsafe way to survive when you are in a really bad place and need a couple turns to quaff !CCW or stall for recall.

It seems though that you agree with Eddie in that Alter Reality works just like Teleport level. The 1 level difference doesn't seem to matter much.
The chance of descent with teleport level may have mattered when players watched level breakpoints instead of powerdiving. If you were one level above the old reccomended breakpoint for having +10 speed you would use alter reality, but I think all the other breakpoints were before the spell was available anyhow.
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alter reality works 100% at dl 99 (Teleport Level was only 50% in earlier versions). *Destruction* spell is not generally available to a priest (Wrath is native to dl 100 and quite rare.)

Now that ?Tele Level is guaranteed to work at dl 99, I agree that it can be removed.
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How is it any better than the cheaper TL which also has a lower failure rate? That was purely rhetorical. TL is obviously better.

I repeat. The *ONLY* purpose of alter reality is for abuse at ironman.
I use it quite often when I want a change with out going up or down. I don't think I used it to esape anything. I very selldom even attempt ironman.

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