Changing farmer Maggot's dogs color

fph · November 20, 2009, 23:37

There are only two kinds of C that @ is likely to encounter in the very first levels: jackals and farmer Maggot's dogs. Mixing them up could be problematic: while the former are usually harmless, the latter are a tough encounter at low levels. So, why are they the SAME COLOR?

Marble Dice · November 21, 2009, 05:14

They're pretty easy to pick out by the sound of doors crashing down, and the fact that they're alone.

Even still, yellow, orange, or dark brown would all distinguish them from Jackals. Wolves at dungeon level 10 are dark brown, and have comparable stats.

d_m · November 21, 2009, 17:25

In HEAD (as of r1752) Magnate has made the dogs dark brown (like wolves).

The march of progress continues!

shawnosullivan · November 21, 2009, 18:06

i've had issues w/ the fact that carcharoth is the same color as hellhounds... i don't think i've ever lost any characters due to this, but have been often shocked to be hit with a nasty nether breath when i'm expecting some puny flames..
maybe that's part of the fun/danger, though

thapper · November 21, 2009, 18:48

...one of the reasons I use Gervais' tiles

Magnate · November 21, 2009, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnosullivan

i've had issues w/ the fact that carcharoth is the same color as hellhounds... i don't think i've ever lost any characters due to this, but have been often shocked to be hit with a nasty nether breath when i'm expecting some puny flames..
maybe that's part of the fun/danger, though

All uniques should be distinct from other monsters of the same letter. Carcharoth is now purple (r1756). Any others anyone wants to nominate for a change?

PowerDiver · November 21, 2009, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnate

All uniques should be distinct from other monsters of the same letter. Carcharoth is now purple (r1756). Any others anyone wants to nominate for a change?

*All* uniques should purple, and no one else should be purple. Rename purple mushroom patches.

ekolis · November 21, 2009, 22:24

Nah, just replace 'em with a new unique: Princess Toadstool!

---
It's Princess Peach Toadstool, who is not actually a fruit OR a mushroom! She thinks you are one of Bowser's henchmen sent to kidnap her.

She moves at average speed. She resists slowing, confusion, disenchantment, and light. She is vulnerable to fire.

She can slap to stun for 2d2, scream to aggravate nearby monsters, and hit to steal mushrooms. She is magical, casting spells which heal self or shield self, about 1 time in 5. She has 10 hit points.

Killing this enemy, normally found in another castle at depths of 50 ft, is worth 0 points for a 1st level character. She usually drops 1d8 mushrooms.
---

fizzix · November 21, 2009, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnate

All uniques should be distinct from other monsters of the same letter. Carcharoth is now purple (r1756). Any others anyone wants to nominate for a change?

Shelob and Ungoliant. Especially since they often have escorts of the same color.

Ariel, Vargo, Waldern and Quaker always come alone, just like the elementals

Itangast and Scatha

Eol, Maeglin

the ringwraiths.

Tselakus

Balrog of Moria, Gothmog and Lungorthin aren't such a big deal because you never see groups of balrogs without them...but still. I'd make lesser and greater balrogs a different color, they have the "unique" color now.

I think I got most of the ones I've ever confused for something else.

Slow · November 22, 2009, 07:58

(Smeagol and Fundin Bluecloak)
(Wormtongue and Harowen)
(Lagduf, Grishnakh and Golfimbul)
(Brodda, Ulfast, Sangahyando, Angamaite, Ulwarth, Uldor, Ulfang)
(Ufthak, Shagrat, Gorbag)
(Bolg, Azog)
(Lugdush, Ugluk)
(Ibun, Khim, Mim)
Beorn and Werebear
(Bert, Bill, Tom)
Lorgan, Saruman, Mouth of Sauron, Sauron
Castamir, Enchantress, Sorcerer, Illusionist, Necromancer, Demonologist
Gorlim, Black knight
Ar-Pharazon, Ninja and Dagashi are the same
Smaug, Itangast, Glaurung, Dracolisk
(Baphomet, Jabberwock)
(Omarax, Disenchanter eye)
Qlzqqlzuup or something, Nexus quylthulg

Some less important ones and ones that work as they are are in parentheses.

November 20, 2009, 23:37	#1
fph Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Berlin / Italy Posts: 274	Changing farmer Maggot's dogs color There are only two kinds of C that @ is likely to encounter in the very first levels: jackals and farmer Maggot's dogs. Mixing them up could be problematic: while the former are usually harmless, the latter are a tough encounter at low levels. So, why are they the SAME COLOR?

November 21, 2009, 17:25	#3
d_m Angband Devteam member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Age: 32 Posts: 1,494	In HEAD (as of r1752) Magnate has made the dogs dark brown (like wolves). The march of progress continues! __________________ linux->xterm->screen->pmacs

November 21, 2009, 22:24	#8
ekolis Knight Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA Age: 29 Posts: 814	Nah, just replace 'em with a new unique: Princess Toadstool! --- It's Princess Peach Toadstool, who is not actually a fruit OR a mushroom! She thinks you are one of Bowser's henchmen sent to kidnap her. She moves at average speed. She resists slowing, confusion, disenchantment, and light. She is vulnerable to fire. She can slap to stun for 2d2, scream to aggravate nearby monsters, and hit to steal mushrooms. She is magical, casting spells which heal self or shield self, about 1 time in 5. She has 10 hit points. Killing this enemy, normally found in another castle at depths of 50 ft, is worth 0 points for a 1st level character. She usually drops 1d8 mushrooms. --- __________________ You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI... You are surrounded by a stasis field! The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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November 21, 2009, 05:14	#2
Marble Dice Swordsman Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Columbia, MO. USA Posts: 405	They're pretty easy to pick out by the sound of doors crashing down, and the fact that they're alone. Even still, yellow, orange, or dark brown would all distinguish them from Jackals. Wolves at dungeon level 10 are dark brown, and have comparable stats.

November 21, 2009, 18:06	#4
shawnosullivan Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 61	i've had issues w/ the fact that carcharoth is the same color as hellhounds... i don't think i've ever lost any characters due to this, but have been often shocked to be hit with a nasty nether breath when i'm expecting some puny flames.. maybe that's part of the fun/danger, though

November 21, 2009, 18:48	#5
thapper Adept Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 157	...one of the reasons I use Gervais' tiles

November 22, 2009, 07:58	#10
Slow Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6	(Smeagol and Fundin Bluecloak) (Wormtongue and Harowen) (Lagduf, Grishnakh and Golfimbul) (Brodda, Ulfast, Sangahyando, Angamaite, Ulwarth, Uldor, Ulfang) (Ufthak, Shagrat, Gorbag) (Bolg, Azog) (Lugdush, Ugluk) (Ibun, Khim, Mim) Beorn and Werebear (Bert, Bill, Tom) Lorgan, Saruman, Mouth of Sauron, Sauron Castamir, Enchantress, Sorcerer, Illusionist, Necromancer, Demonologist Gorlim, Black knight Ar-Pharazon, Ninja and Dagashi are the same Smaug, Itangast, Glaurung, Dracolisk (Baphomet, Jabberwock) (Omarax, Disenchanter eye) Qlzqqlzuup or something, Nexus quylthulg Some less important ones and ones that work as they are are in parentheses.

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