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Knight
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Max depth of artifacts r1886
In my latest game I was surprised not to see a single 'thanc or Thranduil. On checking artifact.txt I see they all have max depths.
It doesn't seem right that any artifact can be generated on DL1 (admittedly given a ridiculous roll) but they can't all be generated on DL98. Admittedly I wouldn't be using a 'thanc by that stage, but I do not like the thought that I would have to go shallower to find certain items. Particularly an item like Thranduil which is a key find if you don't have ESP yet. A player shouldn't be penalised by what he can find just because he is deep in the dungeon IMHO. |
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Prophet
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@Psi --
I agree; thranduil is potentially as valuable at dl 99 as it is at dl 30. As for the thancs, I only agree partially: I agree that given a dagger at any depth, it should have a chance of being a Thanc. I don't agree that daggers should appear below (say) dl 80. The only one that is possibly useful is Rilia, and it is quite rare. A possible compromise: the minimum level of the item in a drop should be based on monster level, not dungeon level, so novice mages still have a good chance of dropping crap. In fact, I'm not likely to use that new artifact.txt--a lot of them look too strong. |
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I don't agree with Psi that every artifact should be able to drop at dl99: there's been consensus for a long time that this should not be the case. Now, Thranduil is a bit of an anomaly: it's an otherwise very weak artifact, with telepathy. While telepathy is binary, as it is now, it's massively overpowered and makes any item valuable throughout the game. If telepathy is re-worked to be granular (ticket #1015), this problem will go away. In the meantime, if the consensus is to keep Thranduil available until dl100, I could live with that tweak. |
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Knight
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Prophet
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I've never really understood how you can consider artifacts to be junk. I've always liked finding them, even if I don't even bother to pick them up. They only show up once, so they won't keep bothering you.
I've no problem with banning Daggers of Slay Orc at level 99, but artifacts are another thing entirely. |
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Prophet
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Add me to the list who do not want maximum depths on artifacts. TMJ was never the problem. Lack of efficient squelching has always been the problem.
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