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Old February 21, 2010, 17:20   #1
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Artifacts found at 600ft

Okay I was trying a run with a half-troll warrior, I am a little uncertain about running warriors as I like my detection spells. Boy what a run so far....I just found the rapier Forasgil lying on the floor at 600ft. Then I just killed wormtounge on the same level and he dropped the long sword Evagil. Has anyone else noticed this same rapid find of artifacts. The level feeling said I felt a little lucky, boy what an understatement.
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Old February 21, 2010, 17:45   #2
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Wormtongue, on 750', dropped Cammithrim. pretty nice
800 ft : Phial of Galadriel
900 ft : Thingol

quite shallow.

on nice items dropped at shallow depths, i found
Studded leather armor of elvenkind at 500ft
Smeagol gave me a maul (holy avenger) with SeeI too.
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Old February 21, 2010, 18:08   #3
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Forasgil is pretty common (rarity 8) and it's base depth is 750', so finding it at 600' is not a big wonder. Wormtongue's drop is always excellent (because in the book he dropped the Palantir), so if you're lucky you can get a really great item from him. I can remember getting decent boots of speed (+5 or +6) from Wormy.
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Old February 21, 2010, 18:10   #4
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I'm at 800ft now Nar just dropped some steel shod boots of stability, found a robe of elvenind and some gauntlets of slaying. Never had this kind of luck before, started power diving right after character generation. Smeagol dropped a broad axe of slay undead. In earlier versions of Angband I've had to go as far down as level 30 just to find an artifact, and the ego's were quite rare to, now i'm finding them all over the place. I guess a little bit of it is the RNG gods smiling at me.
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Old February 21, 2010, 20:06   #5
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I'm at 800ft now Nar just dropped some steel shod boots of stability, found a robe of elvenind and some gauntlets of slaying. Never had this kind of luck before, started power diving right after character generation. Smeagol dropped a broad axe of slay undead. In earlier versions of Angband I've had to go as far down as level 30 just to find an artifact, and the ego's were quite rare to, now i'm finding them all over the place. I guess a little bit of it is the RNG gods smiling at me.
How do you kill Nar at 800' when diving? I have a tough time killing him even at 1500'
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Okay I was trying a run with a half-troll warrior, I am a little uncertain about running warriors as I like my detection spells. Boy what a run so far....I just found the rapier Forasgil lying on the floor at 600ft. Then I just killed wormtounge on the same level and he dropped the long sword Evagil. Has anyone else noticed this same rapid find of artifacts. The level feeling said I felt a little lucky, boy what an understatement.
Heh. Both Forasgil and Elvagil were made much more common in 3.1.2, because they're really only useful if found early. So it's nice to see it working out as planned.
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Heh. Both Forasgil and Elvagil were made much more common in 3.1.2, because they're really only useful if found early. So it's nice to see it working out as planned.
This is a real problem making the game way too easy. To the extent that artifacts are made more useful, they need to be *less* common. That's to maintain game balance.

We should be thinking about changing the name from "vanilla" to "easyband".
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I've played several new characters since 3.1.2 and most of them don't find artifacts like you have been. I think it's still balanced, but you've gotten lucky.
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This is a real problem making the game way too easy. To the extent that artifacts are made more useful, they need to be *less* common. That's to maintain game balance.

We should be thinking about changing the name from "vanilla" to "easyband".
I hate to say it, but I totally agree, in the hands of a half-troll warrior, these weapons make you almost unstoppable. I haven't even had to worry about healing pots or staves. I'm practically destroying everything, uniques included.I *Like* the idea behind finding the less usefull artifacts much earlier in the game. however they are way over powered. Forasgil for instance has an enchantment of (+12+19). Now I am doing 3 blows per round at an average of 40 points per damage against creatures not resistant to cold. Don't get me wrong, I love finding artifacts, but I believe I can probably skip down to 2000ft just because of what I found so far.

I sort of have a fair game balance suggestion if you will. If you can find these artifacts at shallow depths, maybe reduce their power level. Say instead of Forsagil having an enchantment bonus of (+12+19). Lets make it instead
(+10+12). Just a little bit better than a good ego weapon. Which is generally about (+6+9) or so at that level depth.
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How do you kill Nar at 800' when diving? I have a tough time killing him even at 1500'
Well I did have Forasgil, and my AC was about 40, with 220 HP, I ended up taking a dare with 4 HP left and hit him one more time as he was near death anyway, I got lucky and slayed him, It was close though. I was simply to strong on the melee damage with Forasgil. He dropped some steel shods boots of stability, Resist Nexus. Do you even need Resist Nexus at 800ft?
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