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Old February 3, 2014, 18:13   #1
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Elemental brand spell in 4.5.0 -- why won't it work?

My 50th level Paladin can't get the elemental brand spell to work under any circumstances. I vaguely remember there having been a trick to it years ago, but I've tried everything I can think of, including unwielding all other weapons. It says my fail is 50%, but I've tried it literally hundreds of times with no success.

Am I being an idiot (the most likely answer), or is something broken here?
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Old February 3, 2014, 18:18   #2
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The 50% failure rate is to successfully cast the spell, not to successfully apply a brand. For that to work, you have to cast the spell on a weapon that is at best {magical} (i.e. not an ego-item or artifact). It's basically useless except for ammo or for making money even more pointless.
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Old February 3, 2014, 18:37   #3
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The 50% failure rate is to successfully cast the spell, not to successfully apply a brand. For that to work, you have to cast the spell on a weapon that is at best {magical} (i.e. not an ego-item or artifact). It's basically useless except for ammo or for making money even more pointless.
I can't even get it to work on ammo, not even unenchanted, non-ego arrows.
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Old February 3, 2014, 18:39   #4
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It is a useful spell; very deep the most common {excellent} ammo is wounding or holy might, brand is rare but often preferred.

The few times I used it I got mostly venom brand. What brands exactly are possible to get, and what are the chances for each ?

Edit: I used it with a ranger, not a paladin.
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Old February 3, 2014, 18:47   #5
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I can't even get it to work on ammo, not even unenchanted, non-ego arrows.
Hm, try a single arrow? I wouldn't be surprised if the difficulty scales with the size of the stack you're trying to enchant. If it doesn't work on a (+0,+0) Dagger or a (+0,+0) Arrow then there's probably a bug.
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Hm, try a single arrow? I wouldn't be surprised if the difficulty scales with the size of the stack you're trying to enchant. If it doesn't work on a (+0,+0) Dagger or a (+0,+0) Arrow then there's probably a bug.
Just tried about 100 times to brand a single (+0,+0) arrow -- no dice. I *was* able to brand a (+0,+0) whip on the 2nd try, so it appears to be specific to ammunition. Either I'm spectacularly unlucky, or there's a bug. Anyone else care to give it a try and help confirm?
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Old February 3, 2014, 19:18   #7
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I thought the holy spells were only usable for weapons and the arcane spell (brand ammo) can only do ammo. The priest spell used to be completely useless, but you can find a fair number of unbranded big dice weapons deep that could be branded successfully.
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I thought the holy spells were only usable for weapons and the arcane spell (brand ammo) can only do ammo. The priest spell used to be completely useless, but you can find a fair number of unbranded big dice weapons deep that could be branded successfully.
Right thats it - I remember now why I never used it with a pala or priest. Checking, it actually states exactly what it does in the spell description.

b (browse) - <inventory letter of your holy infusions copy> - e (elemental brand) - ? (to toggle description).

The holy version is 50% fire and 50% cold, might be a different story if you could get acid and lightning as well. It would also useful early in the game; a lucky find of P8 book. But character level 45 requirement makes it pretty much useless.
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My 50th level Paladin can't get the elemental brand spell to work under any circumstances. I vaguely remember there having been a trick to it years ago, but I've tried everything I can think of, including unwielding all other weapons. It says my fail is 50%, but I've tried it literally hundreds of times with no success.

Am I being an idiot (the most likely answer), or is something broken here?
Paladin elemental brand tries to add brand to your currently wielded melee weapon. It's not the same as mage spell where you can choose which weapon it affects. Branding fails if the weapon is already ego.
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Paladin elemental brand tries to add brand to your currently wielded melee weapon. It's not the same as mage spell where you can choose which weapon it affects. Branding fails if the weapon is already ego.
Well, that explains it. Thanks for clearing that up!
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