The Angband Ladder: Felagund, Noldor Finarfin no-class by Scatha

  [Sil 1.0.1 Character Dump]

 Name   Felagund      Age    2,204       Str   4 =  2  +2
 Sex    Male          Height   6'7       Dex   3
 Race   Noldor        Weight   159       Con   6 =  3  +3
 House  Finarfin                         Gra  11 =  6  +2      +3

 Game Turn   31,652   Melee (+21,3d15)   Melee       21 = 16  +3  +2
 Exp Pool    18,910         (+26,2d11)   Archery      9 =  0  +3  +5  +1
 Total Exp   95,710   Bows   (+9,1d12)   Evasion     12 =  8  +3  +1
 Burden        85.9   Armor [+12,5-15]   Stealth      1 =  0  +3  -2
 Max Burden   207.3                      Perception  22 = 10 +11      +1
 Depth           0'   Health     59:59   Will        24 =  9 +11  +4
 Min Depth       0'   Voice     98:148   Smithing    15 =  1 +11  +3
 Light Radius    10                      Song        32 = 17 +11  +4

 You are one of two children of an archer from the house of Finarfin.
 You have light grey eyes, straight golden hair, and a fair complexion.






  [Last Messages]

> The Troll guard flees in terror!
> The Troll guard panics.
> The Troll guard turns to fight!
> The Troll guard flees in terror!
> The Troll guard panics.
> The Troll guard turns to fight!
> The Troll guard flees in terror!
> The Troll guard panics.
> The Troll guard turns to fight!
> The Troll guard flees in terror!
> The Troll guard panics.
> The Troll guard turns to fight!
> The Troll guard flees in terror! <6x>
> There is a wall in the way!
> You end your song.


  [Screenshot]

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  [Equipment]

a) The Battle Axe of Hurin (-3,3d6) <+1> 4.5 lb
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It improves your will
   by 1.  It slays trolls.  It provides resistance to fear.  It
   cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the ability: 
   Song of Slaying.  It does extra damage when wielded with both
   hands.  
b) a Shortbow (+0,1d7) 1.7 lb
   It can shoot arrows 18 squares (with your current strength).
c) a Silver Ring of Accuracy (+4)
d) a Topaz Ring of Damage <+2>
   It improves your damage sides by 2.  
e) a Crystal Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+2>
   It increases your grace by 2.  It sustains your grace.  It 
   lights the dungeon around you.  
f) a Silmaril
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
g) The Galvorn Armour of Maeglin [-1,2d4] <+3>
   It improves your smithing by 3.  It provides resistance to 
   poison.  It increases your hunger.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  
h) The Cloak of Ulmo [+1] <+4>
   It improves your song by 4.  It provides resistance to cold 
   and fire.  It enrages nearby creatures.  It cannot be harmed
   by the elements.  
i) The Longsword 'Glamdring' (+3,2d5) [+3] <+3> 3.3 lb
   It improves your will by 3.  It slays orcs, trolls, dragons, 
   and raukar.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
j) The Dwarf Mask of Survival [-2,1d2] <+2>
   It increases your constitution by 2.  It provides resistance
   to fire and fear.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
k) The Set of Leather Gloves of Tulkas (+1) <+2>
   It increases your strength by 2.  It improves your damage
   sides by 2.  It draws powerful creatures to your level and 
   enrages nearby creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
l) The Pair of Leather Boots of Nessa the Dancer [+0,1d1]
   It grants you great speed.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  It grants you the ability: Exchange Places.  
m) 12 Arrows (Poisoned)
   They are branded with venom.  They can be shot 18 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).
n) 19 Arrows of Piercing
   They cut easily through armour.  They can be shot 18 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).


  [Inventory]

a) 14 Black Herbs of Rage
b) 3 Dark Green Herbs of Healing
c) 3 Pale Green Herbs of Restoration
d) 2 Fragments of Lembas
e) 5 Clear Potions of Miruvor
f) 2 Murky Brown Potions of Orcish Liquor
g) 3 Grey Potions of Healing
h) 5 Brown Potions of Voice
i) 5 Smoky Potions of Elemental Resistance
j) 7 Emerald Potions of Dexterity
k) 3 Azure Potions of Constitution
l) a Brass Trumpet of Blasting
m) a Gnarled Staff of Understanding (0 charges)
n) a Maple Staff of Revelations (0 charges)
o) a Willow Staff of Treasures (2 charges)
p) a Mahogany Staff of Slumber (7 charges)
q) an Aspen Staff of Majesty (1 charge)
r) 2 Silmarils
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
s) a Crown of Majesty
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the
   ability: Majesty.  
t) a Jewelled Crown of Grace <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
u) The Dagger 'Angrist' (+0,1d5) 0.8 lb
   It cuts very easily through armour.  It can be thrown
   effectively (14 squares).  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  


  [Notes]

Felagund of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 17 Jan 2012

    Turn     Depth    Note

     796    100 ft    (Charge)
     860    100 ft    (Jeweller)
   1,938    200 ft    (Song of Elbereth)
   3,123    350 ft    (Keen Senses)
   3,901    350 ft    (Dodging)
   3,901    350 ft    (Sprinting)
   4,409    400 ft    (Power)
   6,137    450 ft    Slew Ulfang the Black
   6,775    450 ft    (Hardiness)
   7,677    500 ft    Slew Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
   8,749    500 ft    (Song of Aule)
  10,055    550 ft    Slew Uldor, the Accursed
  11,034    600 ft    (Flanking)
  12,475    600 ft    Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
  12,493    600 ft    Found The Longsword 'Glamdring'
  12,602    600 ft    (Critical Resistance)
  14,307    750 ft    (Song of Mastery)
  14,982    750 ft    (Grace)
  15,907    750 ft    (Armoursmith)
  15,907    750 ft    (Enchantment)
  18,794    750 ft    (Artifice)
  18,983    750 ft    Made The Dwarf Mask of Survival
  20,298    750 ft    Found The Battle Axe of Hurin
  20,314    750 ft    Found The Necklace of the Dwarves
  21,275    750 ft    (Grace)
  21,398    750 ft    Found a second enchanted forge, with just two uses
  21,398    750 ft    Made a ring of accuracy (+4)
  21,398    750 ft    Now an amulet of the blessed realm +2
  21,826    750 ft    Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
  21,866    750 ft    Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
  21,910    750 ft    Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
  23,365    800 ft    Entered Cat Fortress
  23,452    850 ft    Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  23,484    850 ft    (Grace)
  23,657    850 ft    Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  23,820    850 ft    (Lore-Keeper)
  23,972    850 ft    Saw a web in front of a door. I wanted to get past 
                      safely. 
  23,972    850 ft    I blew the door open with my trumpet, so I had space 
                      to break free! 
  24,082    850 ft    Made The Pair of Leather Boots of Nessa the 
  24,488    900 ft    Entered Chambers of Thu
  24,653    900 ft    Made The Cloak of Ulmo
  24,804    900 ft    Slew Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth
  25,446    900 ft    Destroyed Lungorthin, the Balrog of White Fire
  25,589    900 ft    Slew Shelob, Spider of Darkness
  26,612    900 ft    Slew Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
  26,619    900 ft    Found The Galvorn Armour of Maeglin
  26,802    900 ft    (Masterpiece)
  27,359    900 ft    Made The Set of Leather Gloves of Tulkas
  27,480    900 ft    (Finesse)
  27,480    900 ft    (Two Weapon Fighting)
  27,887  1,000 ft    Entered Morgoth's throne room
  27,891  1,000 ft    Slew Smaug the Golden
  27,919  1,000 ft    Slew Ungoliant, the Gloomweaver
  27,927  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  27,929  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  27,930  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  27,946  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  27,947  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  27,947  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  27,948  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  27,973  1,000 ft    Slew Glaurung, the Deceiver
  27,989  1,000 ft    Destroyed Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
  31,498     Gates    Entered The Gates of Angband
  31,573     Gates    Slew Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst

  31,651     Gates    You escaped the Iron Hells on 20 January 2012.
  31,651     Gates    You brought back all three Silmarils from Morgoth's 
                      crown! 




  ['Score' 041368348]


Posted on 16.1.2012 19:39
Last updated on 20.1.2012 21:04

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On 16.1.2012 19:39 Scatha wrote:
I tried the trendy ring-forging start with a high Grace character here. I'm not sure where to spend more experience in the short term. A long list of things I'd like to get includes Flanking, some more Perception abilities, something in the Will tree (maybe Hardiness+), further Smithing, Song of Aule and eventually Song of Mastery.

Probably I should just increase my melee, but I'm trying to keep a bit in the bank against coming across a forge.

Song of Elbereth is helping me deal with the crowds again. I wouldn't mind Opportunist, but I don't fancy the Stealth requirement. Perhaps I'll put it on an artefact ...

On 16.1.2012 22:28 half wrote:
If so, you probably want it on gloves/gauntlets, as the only other place it can go is on your weapon and you probably want to make this good independently.

On 16.1.2012 22:38 Scatha wrote:
Good point. Of course it's looking a long way ahead, as I think I would be unlikely to make such artefact gloves in my next 3+ forges ...

I'd actually suggest putting Opportunist on some type of {special} weapon if we could find a good name. Spear of the Hunt?

On 17.1.2012 20:11 jujuben wrote:
It seems like a good opportunity for a mixed blessings weapon, similar to swords of fury. Perhaps spears of backstabbing, with a grace penalty? Or of daggers of treachery, with something even nastier to both the wielder and the target?

On 18.1.2012 11:32 half wrote:
Dagger of treachery sounds good.

On 18.1.2012 14:09 Scatha wrote:
Was going well and had started making some Smithing kit (see the gloves plus the Crown of Grace). Made a mistake here where I thought that the cat warrior I could see was the one who had just fled from Elbereth -- I should have retreated or drunk a potion.

I really enjoyed this archetype and thought it would play well in the late game, so I've made a similar character (dump will follow).

On 18.1.2012 14:49 Scatha wrote:
Elbereth and charging is fun again. My grace is currently drained from forging the amulet of grace, but I'm happy to leave it there while I'm in my comfort zone, to help me identify herbs of restoration, should I find one, or get full use out of a potion of Grace.

On 18.1.2012 14:50 Scatha wrote:
Ah, I see this has overwritten the previous dump. That wasn't intentional. Oh well.

On 18.1.2012 18:34 Scatha wrote:
I think we're doing pretty well here. Song of Mastery holds things in their place while I run up and down the lines with flanking and charge. I need to pick up some fire resistance and/or extra constitution before fire drakes start appearing in earnest, but otherwise I think it's looking good. I'm hoping to find some more forges soon.

On 18.1.2012 21:04 Scatha wrote:
Ah, I've just found an enchanted forge with four uses. Now the dilemma -- what to use it for. With four uses it seems ideal for my first artefact, but I'm ~800 experience short of enough to pick up artifice. I could explore more of the level and hope to get there; my main worry would be a going through a false floor.

Even if I get an artefact, that leaves me with one use of the thing for a regular item. I can get to 27 smithing if I restore my Grace and put points into smithing to buy artifice later. This would let me create:
- ring of damage +2
- ring of accuracy (+4)
- amulet of grace +2 (but I don't have enough methods of restoring grace, so perhaps not)

The jewellery seems to be the best use for crazy smithing scores without artifice. On the other hand, I could just make something simple like body armour increasing my Con, a shield of frost, or gauntlets of power, any of which would help me.

Any opinions? :~) Clever ideas for finessing this are welcome. I'm really looking mainly for a few things:
- extra grace!
- extra Con, and at least one source of fire resist, to make me feel less fragile
- Higher damage output

On 19.1.2012 00:09 Scatha wrote:
I miscalculated; I could get up to 30 Smithing.

I went for the artefact route, but in exploring the level I got a large scare when I stepped into sight of a young fire drake and it breathed, taking me down to 1 health! I decided that while I'd love artefacts increasing my singing and grace further, some fire resist and higher health was a priority, so I've made the Dwarf Mask of Survival. Sadly I've not yet found any potions of Constitution or Herbs of Restoration in this game! But this gives me the fire resist, and I'm crossing my fingers that I can find one of these two.

On 19.1.2012 02:02 Scatha wrote:
Since my last dump, not so many turns ago, I found a herb of restoration, taking me from the 3 Constitution I've lived on so far this game up to a more comfortable 5. On the next level I found the Battle Axe of Hurin, and in a chest next to it, the Necklace of the Dwarves! Overall I've doubled my health -- I'm feeling relatively untouchable right now, but I'll have to head further down soon.

On 19.1.2012 22:14 Scatha wrote:
I found the Cat Fortress, but fell through to another level before I could plunder it. I think I feel I've found this one rather too often compared to the other greater vaults, but that's partly down to the minimum-depth requirements.

Anyhow I just found another forge, and decided to myself a pair of boots, which I've had the arrogance to name after one of the Valar ...

On 20.1.2012 06:33 Satyr wrote:
But they are aptly named, speed + exchange places on the same boots is pretty impressive. What smithing skill do you need for that?


On 20.1.2012 11:23 half wrote:
12 Grace! I believe this is both the highest Grace and the highest Stat we've seen. And it is the permanent score as well, so fit for comparison. It is interesting that you only have 10 points in Smithing.

On 20.1.2012 11:24 half wrote:
Is the trumpet of terror useful? How about the trumpet of blasting? Can you give up your mattock now? How is the commonness of forges in the late game?

On 20.1.2012 12:34 Scatha wrote:
Some answers to questions, and then an update in the next comment.

Satyr, I needed 33 Smithing to make the boots. In some ways the worst thing about them is that they obsolete my Sprinting ability! The Cloak of Ulmo was a little harder -- 38 -- and made in an enchanted forge in Sauron's halls.

I have 12 grace with a swap item here -- normally I wear my artefact helm instead of the crown of grace. But yes, still.

I don't use the trumpets much, but I was keeping them against emergencies. Actually you need voice to use them and they interrupt your song, so I could probably ditch the trumpet of terror (I still have the Staff of Majesty). I did use the trumpet of blasting when trapped in a room with multiple Gwathraukar clustered at the entrance (as well as some other nasties). I blew myself a way out, and circled back, and was able to take them one at a time, so visible. I realise now I could have spent the 1000 experience on Listen at this point, which would have probably been just as effective.

I'm keeping the mattock because it's actually my highest damage weapon. I actually think it's not ideal flavour that they do so much more damage than everything else -- we could move them to (-5,5d2), which would keep them top for very high strength characters, but not everyone else (at present, Strength 2 users do more damage with a mattock than a great axe).

Forges are maybe a bit too common in the late game. Part of the issue is that I got to the late game quickly, so had more time to look around for forges and thereby increase my power level. We don't want to stop people living the Smithing dream, but as you remark my character only has ten points in Smithing, so may well be too good at this for the investment.

Every time I make an artefact, Song of Aule is worth almost one permanent stat point to me. If I can make this many artefacts, that's very good indeed.

On 20.1.2012 12:40 Scatha wrote:
So, I'm standing at another forge, wearing Maeglin's armour, and wondering what to create now. I'm wavering between an artefact light source with +3 to grace, which would be a hope that I'll find another forge before the end (and smash my own record of highest stat 12 while I'm at it), and buying Masterpiece, perhaps one more point of Smithing, and using my Potions of Grace to create something like:

Gloves of Tulkas (+1)[+0]
Increases your Strength and Damage sides by 2.

I can confirm the bug someone else reported where artefacts don't take the experience they claim to cost. I've noticed this both for Abilities and Skills.

On 20.1.2012 21:04 Scatha wrote:
*** Warning: There follow spoilers for the endgame! ***

Well, I made it out, and with two more Silmarils and one more hand than Beren. Now I have to hope I'm fast enough to evade the Sons of Feanor!

Song of Mastery and boots of speed were very strong. I actually didn't really need the exchange places from the boots -- think I only used it once. My gloves, rings and artefact weapons, plus charge, meant that I had an excellent damage output with relatively meagre Skill investment on my part.

I didn't spend any experience after going down to 950ft. I did try fighting Morgoth at one point on the way up. I could scratch him, but never got him below about 75% health. My Mastery over him was not absolute, and he would sometimes get turns and hit me for a lot of damage; I'd step away and heal. I don't think I could have taken him down. It's just possible I could have managed it if I'd spent the experience I was hoarding, but I'm not sure.

On 20.1.2012 21:09 HallucinationMushroom@Yahoo.egg wrote:
Wow! That is one formidable looking elf! Congrats!

On 20.1.2012 22:03 Satyr wrote:
That's truly one of the Noldor in all his might! Congratulations! Did you notice anything of the Silmaril's "curse" on the way out, or were you just beyond that?

On 20.1.2012 22:19 Scatha wrote:
Actually the Curse probably meant V got almost twice as many moves as otherwise when I was close to him, and will also have made my combat rolls against him worse. So it did hinder me a bit in my attacking him. Other than him, though, I was pretty much beyond things. I guess Carcharoth also managed to hit me, which might have been preventable.

On 21.1.2012 10:53 half wrote:
Well done Scatha, showing that the Noldor have what it takes to rival the Sindar...

I hadn't noticed that your boots granted Speed. I thought they were 'just' Sprinting + Exchange Places which is still fantastic. I'm a bit shocked that it is not only possible to make a Speed item without effectively giving up on the slot or using Masterpiece, but to add a great ability to it as well.

On 22.1.2012 03:44 decoy wrote:
...Now this is just gratuitous :P

On 22.1.2012 17:48 Psi wrote:
Congratulations on the win - but one thing I am very confused by... the dump suggests you have only invested one skill point in smithing which clearly isn't the case given the prereqs for your abilities. What is going on there?

On 22.1.2012 18:02 Scatha wrote:
Psi: the 'Masterpiece' ability lets you spend points you've already invested in Smithing to make one great work. This is meant to be reminiscent of e.g. Feanor, who, although he had crafted the Silmarils, would never be able to make their like again -- you don't always just keep getting better at things. In this case, I spent these points in making the Gloves of Tulkas.

On 22.1.2012 18:06 Satyr wrote:
The Masterpiece ability lets you create items above your smithing skill by permanently spending skill points. At least I guess that's what happened.

On 22.1.2012 18:09 Psi wrote:
Thanks - that explains a lot!

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