The Angband Ladder: Lise, Noldor Fingolfin no-class by debo

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 Name   Lise          Age    1,770       Str   2
 Sex    Female        Height  5'10       Dex   7 =  4          +3
 Race   Noldor        Weight   163       Con   4
 House  Fingolfin                        Gra   4

 Game Turn   10,113   Melee (+17,2d10)   Melee       17 = 11  +7  -2  +1
 Exp Pool       235   Bows    (+7,1d9)   Archery      7 =  0  +7  -1  +1
 Total Exp   21,735   Armor [+13,5-14]   Evasion     13 = 10  +7  -4
 Burden       136.5                      Stealth     -5 =  0  +7  -4  -8
 Max Burden   144.0   Health     -1:41   Perception  10 =  5  +4  +1
 Depth         500'   Voice      35:41   Will        16 = 10  +4  +1  +1
 Min Depth     450'   Song    Elbereth   Smithing     6 =  2  +4
 Light Radius     2                      Song         5 =  1  +4

 You are the only child of a warrior from the house of Fingolfin. You
 have light grey eyes, straight black hair, and a fair complexion.

  [Last Messages]

> The Snow troll bites you.
> You are covered with frost!
> Low hitpoint warning!
> You hit the Orc warrior...
> The Orc warrior flees in terror!
> The Orc warrior panics.
> The Orc warrior turns to fight!
> The Snow troll misses you.
> You miss the Orc warrior.
> The Orc warrior panics.
> The Orc warrior misses you.
> The Snow troll bites you.
> You are covered with frost!
> You die.




a) a Glaive (-1,2d8) [+1] 5.5 lb
   It requires both hands to wield it properly.  It counts as a
   type of polearm.  
b) a Shortbow of Radiance (+0,1d7) 2.0 lb
   It fires shining arrows.  It can shoot arrows 13 squares
   (with your current strength).
c) a Sapphire Ring of Perception <+1>
   It improves your perception by 1.  
d) a Pearl Ring of Sustenance
   It reduces your need for food.  
e) (nothing)
f) a Brass Lantern (with 1595 turns of light)
g) a Mail Corslet (-1) [-3,2d4]
h) a Cloak [+1]
i) (nothing)
j) a Great Helm of Defiance [-2,1d3] <+1>
   It improves your will by 1.  It provides resistance to fear.  
k) a Set of Leather Gloves [+0,1d1]
l) a Pair of Steel Greaves of Free Action [-1,1d2] {Free action?}
   It grants you freedom of movement.  
m) 93 Arrows
   They can be shot 13 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) (nothing)


a) a Piece of Dark Bread
b) a Strip of Dried Meat
c) 2 Fragments of Lembas
d) a Murky Brown Potion of Orcish Liquor
e) a Brilliant Blue Potion of Clarity {not antivenom or heal}
f) a Shimmering Potion of True Sight
g) 2 Azure Potions of Dexterity
h) an Emerald Potion of Grace
i) a Brass Trumpet of Warning
j) a Maple Staff of Light (5 charges)
k) a Beech Staff of Sanctity (2 charges)
l) an Elm Staff of Understanding (2 charges)
m) an Ivory Staff of Majesty (4 charges)
n) a Bronze Ring of Hunger
   It increases your hunger.  
o) a Crystal Amulet of Grace <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It sustains your grace.  
p) 4 Wooden Torches (with 2000 turns of light)
q) a Wooden Torch (with 1054 turns of light)
r) a Helm [+0,1d3]
s) a Dwarf Mask [-2,1d2]
   It provides resistance to fire.  
t) a Dagger (Poisoned) (+0,1d5) 0.8 lb
   It is branded with venom.  It can be thrown effectively (10
u) a Battle Axe of Orc Slaying (-2,3d4) 5.6 lb
   It slays orcs.  It does extra damage when wielded with both
v) a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2> 10.9 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 2.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


Lise of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 27 May 2012

    Turn     Depth    Note

     923    100 ft    (Weaponsmith)
   1,102    100 ft    (Polearm Mastery)
   6,018    400 ft    (Inner Light)
   6,734    400 ft    Slew Uldor, the Accursed
   7,451    450 ft    (Majesty)
  10,107    500 ft    (Song of Elbereth)

  10,113    500 ft    Slain by a Snow troll.
  10,113    500 ft    Died on 28 May 2012.

  ['Score' 010089887]

Posted on 28.5.2012 13:49
Last updated on 29.5.2012 03:53

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On 28.5.2012 13:49 debo wrote:
My first attempt at a holy-lancer themed build. I used 2 pts in smithing + weaponmastery to make a glaive at the first forge. Am waiting on a second to make a 6.0lb halberd -- the melee penalty is a bit nasty to use one right off the bat.

I worked up to 10 melee and evasion before starting to put points in will. Just picked up Majesty now, and am curious to see how well it works for avoidance.

Not sure now if I should start investing in perception to get lore-master, or whether I should just keep pumping my 3 basic stats. There are a ton of useful-looking Will abilities that I haven't ever tried before!

On 28.5.2012 15:18 Scatha wrote:
6lb Halberd? Isn't it worth dropping the weight a little?

Will does have a lot of good abilities. Perception, too: Focused Attack is great with Polearm Mastery.

Have fun!

On 28.5.2012 15:24 debo wrote:
It's only a rough plan... I was thinking of 4 str as an eventual goal, but I guess I could keep it light and hope for a damage ring :)

On 28.5.2012 15:25 debo wrote:
I was aiming for 4 str as an eventual goal, but I guess I could keep it light and hope for a good damage ring :)

On 29.5.2012 03:53 debo wrote:
As I suspected, I wasn't quite good enough playing an actual melee character at the midgame to make this poor girl viable.

I've never used Majesty before. It doesn't scale as well as Stealth or Elbereth for self-defense/avoidance -- if you invest slowly in either of those, you can usually sneak past/scare away monsters at your min depth pretty easily. Majesty requires a greater investment, and I'm not sure it will ever really pay for itself, to be honest.

I was surrounded near the end there, but I'd already been in 10+ similar situations just before. If I hadn't been so lucky with consumables, I would have been dead long before the situation seen here.

I need to think through this build a bit more. I really want the Will + Polearm thing to work, but I think I need to go either full melee + evasion first, or full melee + will. I think Knockback, in particular, would be a huge boon w/ Polearm Mastery -- but I need to test it out :)

On 29.5.2012 03:55 debo wrote:
Darnit, I completely forgot Charge as well! Haha I thought I'd bought it, but I guess not! Hmmn...

On 4.6.2012 14:50 half wrote:
Knockback and Polearm Mastery work very well together, though they wouldn't help in situations like your final screenshot. Things like Zone of Control, Riposte, and Focused Attack could also be good with Polearm Mastery, as it means you get some advantage out of passing your turn. e.g. if you have an orc next to you and one a square away, you could pass instead of attacking. You will get a melee bonus in your attack (as the new orc closes in) and might also get a free attack on the other orc if it moves or misses by a lot. Charge is always pretty good and goes well with the heavy weapon, but doesn't directly work with Polearm Mastery at all.

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