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The Angband Ladder: Sakura, Demigod High-Mage by amalek

  [FrogComposband 7.0.nougat Character Dump]
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 Name       : Sakura                       ========== Stats ==========
 Sex        : Female                             STR  :        11
 Personality: Shrewd                             INT  :    18/***
 Race       : Demigod                            WIS  :        11
 Subrace    : Athena                             DEX  :        11
 Class      : High-Mage                          CON  :        16
 Realm      : Armageddon                         CHR  :         7
                                        
 Level      :       25                           HP   :   129/180
 Cur Exp    :    52462                           SP   :    52/290
 Max Exp    :    52462                           AC   :        14
 Adv Exp    :    54600                           Speed:        +0
                                        
                                           ========== Skills =========
 Gold       :    91130                     Melee      : Fair
 Kills      :      767                     Archery    : Fair
 Uniques    :       21                     SavingThrow: Superb
 Artifacts  :      1+1                     Stealth    : Very Good
                                           Perception : Very Good
 Game Day   :       15                     Searching  : Fair
 Game Time  :    18:04                     Disarming  : Superb
 Play Time  :    02:28                     Device     : Amber[17]
                                        
============================= Character Equipment =============================

 a) The Whip of Dr. Jones (1d7) (+16,+13) (+1) {InWi;SiLv A:Telekinesis}
    Found lying on the floor in the quest 'I Hate Snakes!'.
    Picked up: Day 6, 6:49, at CL 13.
 b) a Tulwar (Nature) (2d5) (+7,+6) (+2) {In;Co;Rg/Z~Z}
    Dropped by The Variant Maintainer on level 28 of Labyrinth.
    Identified: Day 14, 6:26, at CL 22.
 d) a Quiver of Protection [0 of 120]
    Dropped by The Icky Queen on level 20 of Icky cave.
    Picked up: Day 14, 11:17, at CL 24.
 e) a Ring of Wizardry {Es(In A:*Identify*}
    Received as a reward for completing the quest 'Mushrooms'.
    Identified: Day 7, 19:56, at CL 14.
 f) a Ring of Wizardry (+1) [+5%] {EsDm}
    Found lying on the floor in the quest 'Tidy the Laboratory'.
    Identified: Day 10, 2:16, at CL 20.
 g) a Torc of the Hero (+2,+3) [+4] {Fe;FaSiRg[F(StDx}
    Dropped by a Black orc in the wilderness.
    Picked up: Day 8, 8:11, at CL 15.
 h) The Feanorian Lamp 'Mimosa' {Po;HlRg}
    Received as a reward for completing the quest 'Djinni's Cavern'.
    Identified: Day 14, 12:35, at CL 24.
 i) a Robe of Elvenkind [2,+11] (+3) {Sl;AcElFiCoNt}
    Found lying on the floor in the quest 'Djinni's Cavern'.
    Identified: Day 14, 12:02, at CL 24.
 k) a Hard Leather Cap of Seeing [2,+3] (+1) {Sr;Bl;Si}
    Received as a reward for completing the quest 'Shadow Fairies'.
    Identified: Day 10, 4:41, at CL 21.
 l) a Set of Leather Gloves of the Wizard (-3,-9) [1,-16] (+3) {InMd}
    Received as a reward for completing the quest 'Tidy the Laboratory'.
    Identified: Day 10, 2:45, at CL 20.
 m) a Pair of Hard Leather Boots of Levitation [3,+4] {Nt;Lv}
    Received as a reward for completing the quest 'The Sewer'.
    Identified: Day 9, 18:38, at CL 18.

              \| ~=="~( ]]]                           \| ~=="~( ]]]
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 Acid       : ........+.....  50%        Speed      : ..............
 Electricity: ........+.....  50%        Free Act   : ......+.......   1x
 Fire       : ........+.....  50%        See Invis  : +.....+...+...   3x
 Cold       : .+......+.....  65%        Warning    : ..............
 Poison     : .......+......  50%        Slow Digest: ..............
 Light      : ..............   0%        Regenerate : .+....++...... 400%
 Dark       : ..............   0%        Levitation : +...........+.
 Confusion  : ..............   0%        Perm Lite  : ..............
 Nether     : ........+...+.  40%        Reflection : ..............
 Nexus      : ..............   0%        Hold Life  : .......+......   1x
 Sound      : ..............   0%        Dec Mana   : .....+........
 Shards     : ..............   0%        Easy Spell : ....++........
 Chaos      : ..............   0%        Anti Magic : ..............
 Disenchantm: ..............   0%        Magic Skill: ...........+..
 Time       : ..............   0%        Spell Power: ..............
 Blindness  : ..........+...  30%        Spell Cap  : .....+.......+ +20%
 Fear       : ......+.......   1x        Magic Res  : ..............
                                         Infravision: ..............
              \| ~=="~( ]]]              Stealth    : ........+.....
 Auras        abcdefghijklm@             Searching  : ..........+...
 Aura Elec  : ..............            
 Aura Fire  : ......+....... 3d4+2                    \| ~=="~( ]]]
 Aura Cold  : ..............             Sustains     abcdefghijklm@
 Aura Shards: ..............             Sust Str   : ......+.......
 Revenge    : ..............             Sust Int   : ....+........+
                                         Sust Wis   : ..............
              \| ~=="~( ]]]              Sust Dex   : ......+.......
 Slays        abcdefghijklm@             Sust Con   : ..............
 Slay Evil  : ..............             Sust Chr   : ..............
 Slay Undead: ..............            
 Slay Demon : ..............                          \| ~=="~( ]]]
 Slay Dragon: ..............             Detection    abcdefghijklm@
 Slay Human : ..............             Telepathy  : ..............
 Slay Animal: .+............             ESP Evil   : ..............
 Slay Orc   : ..............             ESP Nonliv : ..............
 Slay Troll : ..............             ESP Living : ..............
 Slay Giant : ..............             ESP Good   : ..............
 Slay Good  : ..............             ESP Undead : ..............
 Slay Living: ..............             ESP Demon  : ..............
 Acid Brand : ..............             ESP Dragon : ..............
 Elec Brand : ..............             ESP Human  : ..............
 Fire Brand : ..............             ESP Animal : .+............
 Cold Brand : ..............             ESP Orc    : ..............
 Pois Brand : ..............             ESP Troll  : ..............
 Mana Brand : ..............             ESP Giant  : ..............
 Sharpness  : ..............            
 Quake      : ..............                          \| ~=="~( ]]]
 Vampiric   : ..............             Curses       abcdefghijklm@
 Chaotic    : ..............             Cursed     : ..............
 Add Blows  : ..............             Rnd Tele   : ..............
 Blessed    : ..............             No Tele    : ..............
 Riding     : .+............             Drain Exp  : ..............
 Tunnel     : ..............             Aggravate  : ..............
 Throwing   : ..............             TY Curse   : ..............
                                        
              \| ~=="~( ]]]
              abcdefghijklm@   Base  R  C  P  E  Total
       STR  : ......s.......     16  1 -4 -2  0     11
       INT  : 12..s......3.s 18/123  3  4  2  6 18/***
       WIS  : 1.............      9  1  0  0  1     11
       DEX  : ......s.......      9  1  0  1  0     11
       CON  : ..............     18  1 -2 -1  0     16
       CHR  : ..............      9  1 -2 -1  0      7

==================================== Melee ====================================

 Hand #1: The Whip of Dr. Jones (1d7) (+16,+13)              Accuracy
 Weight : 3.0 lbs                                             AC Hit
 Profic : Unskilled (-8 To Hit)                               25  5%
 To Hit : 16 + -8 = 8                                         50  5%
 To Dam : 13 + -2 = 11                                        75  5%
 Blows  : 1.00                                               100  5%
 Skill  : 12.5%                                              125  5%
 Damage                                                      150  5%
 Crits  : 1.03x (2.9%)                                       175  5%
 Normal : 15 [1.03x]                                         200  5%
                                                             
 Hand #2: a Tulwar (Nature) (2d5) (+7,+6)                    Accuracy
 Weight : 10.0 lbs                                            AC Hit
 Profic : Unskilled (-10 To Hit)                              25  5%
 To Hit : 7 + -10 = -3                                        50  5%
 To Dam : 6 + -3 = 3                                          75  5%
 Blows  : 1.00                                               100  5%
 Skill  : 10.0%                                              125  5%
 Damage                                                      150  5%
 Crits  : 1.04x (3.4%)                                       175  5%
 Normal : 9 [1.04x]                                          200  5%
 Animals: 17 [2.49x]                                         
                                                             
==================================== Powers ===================================

                     Lvl Cost Fail Desc            Cast Fail
Eat Magic             25    1  25%                    0    0   0%

==================================== Spells ===================================

Realm: Armageddon

    [Book of Elements]      Profic Lvl  SP Fail Desc             Cast Fail
 a) Lightning Bolt            [Ex]   1   2   0% dam 9d8+10        449    3   1%
 b) Frost Bolt                [Ex]   2   2   0% dam 10d8+10       245    0   0%
 c) Fire Bolt                 [Be]   3   3   1% dam 11d8+10       153    0   0%
 d) Acid Bolt                 [Un]   5   5   1% dam 11d8+10         1    0   0%
 e) Lightning Ball            [Be]   6   4   1% dam 67            114    1   1%
 f) Frost Ball                [Un]   9   7   1% dam 72              2    0   0%
 g) Fire Ball                 [Un]  11   9   1% dam 77              1    0   0%
 h) Acid Ball                 [Un]  12  11   1% dam 82              4    0   0%

    [Earth, Wind and Fire]  Profic Lvl  SP Fail Desc             Cast Fail
 a) Shard Bolt                [Be]  15   9   1% dam 13d8+10       101    0   0%
 b) Gravity Bolt              [Un]  17  12   1% dam 11d8+10        46    0   0%
 c) Plasma Bolt               [Be]  19  13   1% dam 17d8+10       188    0   0%
 d) Meteor                    [Un]  21  17   1% dam 95             33    0   0%
 e) Thunderclap               [Un]  23  22   1% dam 75              2    0   0%
 f) Windblast                 [Un]  26  28   1% unknown             0    0   0%
 g) Hellstorm                 [Un]  28  30   1% unknown             0    0   0%
 h) Rocket                    [Un]  31  39   3% unknown             0    0   0%

=================================== Dungeons ==================================

!Warrens         : level   9
!Hideout         : level  18
!Icky cave       : level  20
!Labyrinth       : level  28
 Camelot         : level  24
 Angband         : level  17

You were killed by a 11-headed Hydra in the wilderness.

==================================== Quests ===================================

  Completed Quests
  Trouble at Home (Outpost)                          DL5   CL10  Day 4, 6:22
  The Thieves' Hideout (Outpost)                     DL5   CL10  Day 4, 8:01
  Pest Control (Outpost)                             DL5   CL11  Day 4, 10:16
  Mushrooms (Thalos)                                 DL10  CL14  Day 7, 18:30
  Cop Quest (Anambar)                                DL12  CL13  Day 7, 14:01
  Kill Nar, the Dwarf                                DL13  CL18  Day 9, 19:36
  I Hate Snakes! (Morivant)                          DL15  CL13  Day 6, 6:49
  Crow's Nest (Outpost)                              DL15  CL17  Day 9, 16:11
  The Sewer (Outpost)                                DL15  CL18  Day 9, 18:25
  Tidy the Laboratory (Thalos)                       DL20  CL20  Day 10, 2:33
  Shadow Fairies (Thalos)                            DL20  CL21  Day 10, 3:22
  The Stranger (Telmora)                             DL22  CL21  Day 11, 17:30
  Djinni's Cavern (Thalos)                           DL27  CL24  Day 14, 11:59



  Arena: 26 Victories
================================ Monster Kills ================================

You have defeated 767 enemies including 21 unique monsters in total. There are 
352 uniques remaining.

  Uniques                                      Lvl
  The Minotaur of the Labyrinth                 35
  Sangahyando of Umbar                          24
  The Icky Queen                                20
  Meng Huo, the King of Southerings             18
  Nar, the Dwarf                                17
  The Variant Maintainer                        14
  Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief                 12
  Lug, the Grotesque                            11
  Dailai Dongzhu, Captain of Southerings        10
  Brodda, the Easterling                         9
  Balcmeg, the Relentless                        9
  Bloodfang the Wolf                             9
  Robin Hood, the Outlaw                         8
  Nami, the Mate                                 8
  Mughash the Kobold Lord                        7
  Bullroarer the Hobbit                          5
  Freesia                                        2
  Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog                      2
  Noborta Kesyta, the Yeek President             0
  Mori Troll                                     0

  Non-uniques               Lvl Count     Non-uniques               Lvl Count
  Djinni                     40     1     Cave orc                    7    32
  Ettin                      39     1     Hill orc                    8    25
  Mature multi-hued dragon   38     1     Phantom warrior             8    21
  Elder thing                36     1     Software bug               14    18
  Beer elemental             35     2     Goblin                      5    18
  Smoke elemental            35     1     Sand-dweller               10    17
  Halfling slinger           35     1     Snaga                       6    17
  Ooze elemental             35     1     Cave spider                 2    17
  Air elemental              34     3     Orc shaman                  9    15
  Earth elemental            34     1     Skaven                      9    13
  Biclops                    33     1     Manes                       7    12
  Ivory monk                 33     1     Novice ranger               6    12
  Shadow drake               33     1     Ewok                        5    12
  Ethereal drake             33     1     Kobold                      3    12
  Anti-paladin               33     1     Crow of Durthang            9    11
  Ogre shaman                32     1     Copperhead snake            5    11
  Mithril golem              30     1     Singing, happy drunk        0    11
  Basilisk                   28     1     Wolf                       10    10
  Bat of Gorgoroth           28     2     Rattlesnake                 6    10
  Mind flayer                28     1     King cobra                  9     9
                                        
                                        
================================== Mutations ==================================

Your distance attack spells no longer anger monsters.

============================= Character Inventory =============================

an Armageddon Spellbook [Book of Elements] {@ma!k}
an Armageddon Spellbook [Earth, Wind and Fire] {@mb!k}
4 Pieces of Elvish Waybread
8 Potions of Speed {!kq}
5 Potions of Restore Life Levels
8 Potions of Curing
33 Scrolls of Phase Door
12 Scrolls of Teleportation
a Rod: Detect Traps (2/2 charges) {4%}
a Rod: Detect Monsters (2/2 charges) {4%}
a Rod: Recall (2/2 charges)
a Rod: Clarity (3/3 charges) {4%}
a Wand: Stone to Mud (9/9 charges)
a Staff of Capacity: Illumination (19/19 charges) (+1) {4%}
a Staff: Detect Doors & Stairs (14/14 charges) {4%}
a Staff: Identify (14/15 charges) {4%}
a Staff: Cure Wounds (6/6 charges) {@uu!sdk}

================================ Home Inventory ===============================

   120 20 Potions of Speed {!kq}
   500 3 Potions of Healing {!kq}
   800 a Potion of Enlightenment
   250 2 Potions of Resistance {!kq}
   180 16 Potions of Clarity
  4548 a Jingasa of Knowledge [4,+6] (+3) {In;Ps(In}

================================== Statistics =================================

                 Gold
  Found    :    15320
  Selling  :   132466
  Winnings :        0   147786
  Purchases:    44728
  Services :    10156
  Stolen   :     1772    56656
                         91130

  Objects Found    :    851
  Objects Bought   :     21
  Objects Destroyed:    450

  Equipment            Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Weapons                 91      0     6    58
  Shields                 20      0     2    12
  Bows                    20      0     0    16
  Quivers                  1      0     1     0
  Rings                    4      0     2     2
  Amulets                  8      0     2     0
  Lights                  12      1     8     1
  Body Armor              66      0     4    41
  Cloaks                   7      0     0     8
  Helmets                 20      0     2    11
  Gloves                  17      0     1     9
  Boots                   21      0     1    13
  Totals                 286      1    28   171

  Devices              Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Wands                   26      0     9     3
  Staves                   7      3   254     0
  Rods                     8      0    53     0
  Potions                129     13     9    15
  Scrolls                103      3    63    11
  Totals                 273     19   388    29

  Other                Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Spellbooks               1      1     0     5
  Food                    53      0    12     4
  Corpses                105      0     0   102
  Skeletons               79      0     0    78
  Totals                 238      1    12   189

  Potions              Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Curing                   0     12     4     0
  Speed                   28      0     0     0
  Healing                  3      0     0     0
  Restore Life Levels      5      0     0     0
  Constitution             2      0     2     0
  Totals                 129     13     9    15

  Scrolls              Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Word of Recall          13      1    11     7
  Identify                 0      1    26     0
  *Identify*               3      0     3     0
  Remove Curse             1      0     0     0
  Teleportation           16      0     2     1
  Acquirement              1      0     1     0
  Totals                 103      3    63    11

  Wands                Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Stone to Mud             2      0     1     0
  Totals                  26      0     9     3

  Staves               Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Identify                 0      1   118     0
  Cure Wounds              1      0     0     0
  Totals                   7      3   254     0

  Rods                 Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Detect Traps             2      0    34     0
  Detect Monsters          2      0    14     0
  Recall                   1      0     4     0
  Totals                   8      0    53     0

  Spellbooks           Found Bought  Used  Dest
  Totals                   1      1     0     5

  Egos Found    :     38
  Egos Bought   :      1
  Egos Destroyed:      4

  Egos                 Found Bought  Dest

  Monsters             Kills   Pct        Spells               Count   Pct
  Animals                227  29.5%       Observed             10039   4.2%
  Breeders                50   6.5%       Expected             13490   5.8%
  Demons                  23   2.9%       Failures              1052  10.4%
  Dragons                  6   0.7%       Summon                 388   3.8%
  Giants                   8   1.0%       Heal                   236   2.3%
  Hounds                   4   0.5%       Escape                 186   1.8%
  Humans                 136  17.7%       Offense               3847  38.3%
  Orcs                   112  14.6%       Other                 4330  43.1%
  Trolls                   2   0.2%     
  Undead                  21   2.7%       Unique Spells        Count   Pct
  Uniques                 21   2.7%       Observed              1367  13.4%
                                          Expected              1984  19.6%
  Evil Monsters          327  42.6%       Failures               233  17.0%
  Good Monsters           22   2.8%       Summon                 272  19.8%
  Neutral Monsters       418  54.4%       Heal                   135   9.8%
                                          Escape                 100   7.3%
  Totals                 767              Offense                225  16.4%
                                          Other                  402  29.4%

  Life Rating:  99%

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Posted on 23.9.2018 18:40
Last updated on 25.9.2018 14:19

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On 23.9.2018 18:40 amalek wrote:
Yo, long time casual vanilla player. I've been fooling around with FCB for a few weeks, getting a taste for most race+class combos. After losing lots of characters during stat gain (mostly ninjas and other melee classes), I've decided to go pick this babe right here.

I know, not the most original of choices, but there don't seem to be any high-mages on the FCB ladder (no winners, no losers, no nothing).

The idea is to take it VERY slowly, only play maybe 1 hour each day, without rushing.

Tips on which demigod powers to choose would be most welcome. As of now, I'm guessing Subtle Casting + One with Magic may be the best combo: Arcane Mastery wouldn't help me that much when I already have the Shrewd + Athena parentage + High-Mage crushing my failrates into oblivion; Fell Sorcery seems bad and unnecessary for a High-Mage Armageddon-ist. Maybe Weird Mind is something that I should consider?



On 23.9.2018 23:42 Sideways wrote:
Not sure about One with Magic on an Armageddon high-mage. While it helps with anti-magic which is certainly nice, I think people normally worry more about dispel magic (which it also helps with); but dispelling might not be such a huge issue on an Armageddon high-mage, because they're not the biggest buff users. There aren't that many monsters who anti-magic, and it doesn't stop devices so you can teleport to safety when it happens.

On 24.9.2018 01:18 OmniNegro wrote:
I vote for Subtle Casting and Fleet of Foot. (You cannot go wrong with reduced energy use on movement. It works on all builds that need to move.)

On 24.9.2018 03:13 Mocht wrote:
If you want your choices to make the game easier then I'm not sure that a shrewd personality is the way to go, especially for someone who is new to the game: I have barely played spellcasters, but I suspect that you don't need the shrewd bonuses (device skill and reduced spell fail) and that the reduced HP will make life more difficult
I think it would be easier if you had a race with more HP, such as a half-titan or a Hades parentage demigod who chooses unyielding
Another possibility is a blood-mage, but they are like a mage, not a high mage
Have you considered Hera parentage
Charge draining is bad but I don't know how often you will be in melee range for demonic grasp to be worth it
Have you considered cult of personality and evasion
One with magic and potion chugger: handy against a few high level uniques, perhaps not needed elsewhere


On 24.9.2018 03:16 Mocht wrote:
Also, the path name for your character dump is visible, that happens when you do a character dump twice

On 24.9.2018 04:09 Mocht wrote:
"The idea is to take it VERY slowly, only play maybe 1 hour each day, without rushing"
In my view, with respect to taking it slowly, the important things are: not playing when you are tired and not attempting quests before you can handle them
Many of my best characters have been killed by tiredness: I remember my demon character, 1300 normal damage, 2200 lightning branded damage, it was 2 am, I was tired, I was mopping up uniques, first time I encountered the Babbage analytical engine, it breathed for awful damage, it was immobile so I used destruction to break line of sight, it summoned creatures out of my line of sight (I ignored the text message "your helm glows black"), I moved, I was tag teamed by the Babbage analytical engine and the summoned unique


On 24.9.2018 04:21 Mocht wrote:
Also, I think there are (in Zul?) special quests for mages

On 24.9.2018 17:24 amalek wrote:
Thanks for the comments guys.

Just hit CL 21 and I decided to call it a day. This is usually the point where I get cocky and start spamming Meteor on everything, usually resulting in the premature death of my High-Mages. I better take a break :)

Things of note:

* went to Morivant and did the snakes quest (for the whip, obviously)
* got ambushed on my way to Angband by a group of 30-40 cave orcs and a dozen of black orcs; luckily I had a scroll of phase door which I used to unfuck myself so that I could rain Lightning balls on their heads. A black orc actually dropped the Torc of the Hero that I'm wearing
* did a few levels of Angband
* went to Thalos and did the Magic Shrooms quest: usually, after killing the 5 mushrooms, I keep diving until the last level and then recall, so that when I'm stronger I can recall straight to the bottom; not today, as an ambush by The Borshin almost killed me
* fought in the Arena up till the Basilisk
* got some AMAZING rings from the Royal Lyceum quests in Thalos
* did the Shadow Faeries quest and got a Filthy Rag with all base Res. (!!!!!!)

I stopped here as I know myself, I would start venturing into the mountains and die from hubris.

As the CL 20 talent I chose Subtle Casting. I still don't know which the other one will be, and from what you guys wrote One with Magic isn't really worth it. And yes, Mocht, I did the same reasoning as yours: Demonic Grasp isn't needed on ranged characters, and Cult of Personality and Evasion are two strong contenders (especially Evasion, which could spare me some 1HKO from strong breaths). Astral Guide I only really found it useful on Ninjas, Duelists and especially Psions. Fell Sorcery and Arcane Mastery aren't needed.

>I vote for Subtle Casting and Fleet of Foot. (You cannot go wrong with reduced energy use on movement. It works on all builds that need to move.)
That's true OmniNegro, but in my experience an High-Mage Armaggedon-ist doesn't move a lot: as soon as you spot an enemy, you stand still and spam whatever high-damage spell you have. If an enemy is too strong or he's near you, you don't even try to move, you just teleport away, as the risk of getting one-shotted is too high. The only way I could see FoF being useful is if positioning becomes an issue in the late game (as in, you spot an enemy and you want to position yourself in best way possible to keep spamming magic), so I'll see when I reach CL 40 if I really need it.

Mocht, I went for a High-Mage + Athena + Shrewd combo because I wanted the absolute best mage in the game. Basically, I want to reach a point where I can just spam Mana Balls everywhere. I only considered Hera for her Clear Mind, but decided against it because I liked Athena more.

> Also, the path name for your character dump is visible, that happens when you do a character dump twice

Thanks, in 5 years that I'm playing Angband this is actually the first character that I'm dumping on the ladder.

> not playing when you are tired and not attempting quests before you can handle them

Definitely. In fact, I'd say that in *bands the most dangerous enemy is... yourself. All characters that I lost were always due to carelessness / overconfidence / boredom. This is why I'm taking it slow.

> Also, I think there are (in Zul?) special quests for mages

I think you're referring to the Royal Lyceum in Thalos, which always rewards you with items tailored to a mage, even if you're playing a melee class.

On 24.9.2018 19:24 Mocht wrote:
"I think you're referring to the Royal Lyceum in Thalos" - No, I am referring to something else

From your comments it is clear that your knowledge exceeds that of a person who has "been fooling around with FCB for a few weeks", so I take back my comments about different birth options, I wasn't trying to be patronizing

If you are not choosing arcane mastery, then you could have chosen it together with a different personality or a different race/parentage

I'm surprised that you chose subtle casting
If you are looking to optimize then I am think that Arcane mastery and Hades/Hera is better than Subtle casting and Athena

On 24.9.2018 19:39 Mocht wrote:
"I want to reach a point where I can just spam Mana Balls everywhere" - that's the biggest reason I don't play offensive spellcasters, I hate how their spells destroy loot

On 24.9.2018 23:55 Sideways wrote:
Sorcery, Chaos and Nature spellcasters get a special quest in Zul (and death paladins get a special quest in Telmora), there's no special quest for Armageddon casters.

On 25.9.2018 09:35 amalek wrote:
Well, that didn't go well. So, I died but I forgot to dump so here's what happened.

I started clearing some dungeons. Did the labyrinth, hideout, icky cave, explored some Camelot. Then I decided to fight some more battles in the Arena. Stopped at the Vampire Lord. Obviously, I got the ?Acquirement from the Ogre Shaman, and I decided to try something that I saw some players do: travel to Mt. Olympus to read the ?Acquirement there to get better items.

Oh boy...

I managed to get on the shores of Mt. Olympus just fine. I read the scroll and got... a lousy pair of Dwarven boots. +1 CON, -1 stealth, FreeAction. Certainly no better than the boots I was wearing.

On my way back, I got ambushed by that green water dragon (Fasticodeleon or something). I immediately read a ?Teleportation but... I ended up right in the middle of a pack of Hydras, with Scylla too. I got breathed into oblivion and went from full HP to -282 (even though I had 50% rPoison, so imagine what would've happened without that).

So lesson learned? I should never go to Mt. Olympus unless I'm REALLY ready.

>Sorcery, Chaos and Nature spellcasters get a special quest in Zul (and death paladins get a special quest in Telmora)

Thanks, I didn't know that. I assume you're talking about those three towers in Zul. I've only been to Zul once with my best character (a CL 39 ninja) and actually managed to do the portal quest (barely). Man, this game is hard.

On 25.9.2018 10:43 Bostock wrote:
Yeah, deep water is super-deadly. Until I'm sure I can tank a Fasty-Wasty breath, I don't go over any more deep water than the one square needed to reach Mine. Except maybe if I'm super stealthy.

On 25.9.2018 11:27 Mocht wrote:
"I died but I forgot to dump" - you can get the death dump anytime by looking at the high scores, shift or control h

As Bostock said, it is not the closeness to Olympus that killed you, it was the deep water, if you went to Ryleh(?) or Numenor you would have been in similar peril
Deep water is dangerous even to high level characters, I avoid deep water like the plague unless my character is near level 50
Mountain ambushes near Zul can also be dangerous

"I managed to get on the shores of Mt. Olympus just fine. I read the scroll and got... a lousy pair of Dwarven boots"
Did you enter Mt Olympus, Mt Olympus has a guardian (is it a sky drake?)
The first level of Mt Olympus is level 80 or so, I don't know what level the shore of My Olympus is
Even if you do read a scroll of acquirement at a deep level the result can still be disappointing
All of the deeper dungeons have guardians except Angband, if you want to get to a deep level, and don't want to defeat a guardian, then you can go straight down in Angband and choose to fail the random Angband quests

Zul is worth going to
It has a jewellery shop and a dragon armour shop, and a place to cure mutations (it used to be the only place to cure mutations but now it can also be done in Thalos or Anambar)
Also, you can go to Zul to get ambushed on purpose, and level up by killing dragons, Hugo style

When you were ambushed (and in great danger) it would have been safer to teleport away the sea dragon or read a scroll of teleport level (scrolls of teleport level work in the wilderness, scrolls of destruction do not (I think))

As you have distance attacks you could have done the tengu and death sword quest early (as long as the tengus don't teleport you into the middle of the death swords and kill you instantly)
The point of that is that you can then do the mimics quest early, and the mimics quest often has good items which can make a huge difference to a low level character

"Man, this game is hard"
If you would like to see some of the later stuff in the game then I recommend playing a steel dragon
With their huge AC and health they are simple and easy to play


On 25.9.2018 12:08 Mocht wrote:
AC of 16 at character level 21, is that safe, even for a mage

On 25.9.2018 14:14 amalek wrote:
Thanks for the tip Mocht, here's the dump.

Yeah, I know I did some pretty stupid thing, but the only thing in my mind at the time was "boy, I hope I get some amazing artifact".

I didn't even try to enter Mt. Olympus, I just read the scroll as soon as I reached the shore. The wilderness was LV60.

On 25.9.2018 15:18 Bostock wrote:
> (scrolls of teleport level work in the wilderness, scrolls of destruction do not (I think))

That's correct. Destruction and earthquaking don't work outdoors.

> Zul is worth going to
It has a jewellery shop and a dragon armour shop, and a place to cure mutations (it used to be the only place to cure mutations but now it can also be done in Thalos or Anambar)

Humm, I've never noticed the one in Thalos, where is it?

The one in Anambar is so expensive that it's usually better to just go to Zul.

Zul is surprisingly safe to visit if you're slow, careful, willing to sacrifice consumables (if you don't have renewable sources of detection and teleportation), and willing to abort and head back in if there's something deadly near town.

> I ended up right in the middle of a pack of Hydras, with Scylla too. I got breathed into oblivion and went from full HP to -282 (even though I had 50% rPoison, so imagine what would've happened without that).

Poison is delayed damage, so it wasn't the poison if you died on the first turn. But Scylla breathes fire, and so do the higher hydras, 9 heads and up I think. But I'm not sure there are any of those in her escort.

I bet you got poisonlocked alongside the Scylla breath.

Note that Mushrooms of Cure Poison cure *ALL* poisoning, even thousands of points worth. Still, Mocht's ?TeleportLevel suggestion is the best.

On 25.9.2018 16:23 Mocht wrote:
"I've never noticed the one in Thalos, where is it?"
I meant the Anambar one, I forgot which town it was in

"Poison is delayed damage, so it wasn't the poison if you died on the first turn"
I think I have been hit with huge and immediate poison damage

On 25.9.2018 17:38 Mocht wrote:
One of my worst deaths was due to deep water
It was a level 50 mauler, he was looking good and had just opened up Mine
I didn't realize he was overburdened, going over deep water he began to drown and was taken down to the local map
I dropped loot, and was one-shot
He had a good amount of health, but drowning took off a fair amount, and it was goodnight
I don't think I've ever posted a death dump because I find them too traumatic


On 26.9.2018 04:28 debo wrote:
Midare Zakura!

On 26.9.2018 10:00 Bostock wrote:
Poison damage used to be immediate (Poschengband 6 and earlier).
Toxic Waste might include both poison and direct damage.

Otherwise, I would be very surprised to see poison damage that procs before the player gets an action.

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