The Angband Ladder: Sorim, Sindar Doriath no-class by Wiwaxia

  [Sil-Q 1.5.0-beta1 Character Dump]

 Name   Sorim         Age    4,621       Str   1
 Race   Sindar        Height   6'2       Dex   4
 House  Doriath       Weight   168       Con   3
                                         Gra   7 =  4  +1      +2

 Game Turn   17,456   Melee   (+4,1d5)   Melee        4 =  0  +4
 Exp Pool     3,465   Bows    (+5,1d8)   Archery      5 =  0  +4      +1
 Total Exp   37,365   Armor  [+5,6-20]   Evasion      5 =  0  +4  +1
 Burden       109.8                      Stealth      9 =  6  +4  -1
 Max Burden   120.0   Health     34:34   Perception  19 = 10  +7  +2
 Depth         950'   Voice      34:71   Will         9 =  0  +7  +2
 Min Depth     650'                      Smithing     7 =  0  +7
 Light Radius     5                      Song        29 = 17  +7  +3  +2

 You are one of several children of a Sindar bard. You have light grey
 eyes, wavy black hair, and a fair complexion.


a) a Dagger of Cuivienen (+0,1d5) <+3> 0.5 lb
   It improves your song by 3.  It sustains your dexterity and 
   grace.  It can be thrown effectively (9 squares) and lights
   the dungeon around you.  
b) a Shortbow of the Marchwardens (+0,1d7) 1.5 lb
   It provides resistance to fear.  It grants you the ability to
   see invisible creatures.  It can shoot arrows 12 squares
   (with your current strength).
c) a Bronze Ring of Free Action
   It grants you freedom of movement.  
d) a Ruby Ring of Ered Luin <+1>
   It improves your will by 1.  It provides resistance to fear 
   and confusion.  
e) an Ivory Amulet of Grace <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It sustains your grace.  
f) a Feanorian Lamp
g) a Mithril Corslet of Venom's End [-2,2d4] {venom's end?}
   It provides resistance to poison.  It cannot be harmed by the
h) a Cloak of the Traveller [+2]
   It reduces your need for food.  
i) a Kite Shield of Frost (-2) [+0,1d7]
   It provides resistance to fire.  It cannot be harmed by the
j) a Helm of Defiance [+0,1d2] <+1>
   It improves your will by 1.  It provides resistance to fear.  
k) The Set of Gauntlets of Bregolas (+2) [+0,1d2]
   It provides resistance to cold.  It cannot be harmed by the
l) The Pair of Boots of Taur-nu-Fuin [+1,1d1] <+2>
   It improves your stealth and perception by 2.  It cannot be
   harmed by the elements.  It grants you the ability: Master
m) 62 Arrows
   They can be shot 12 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) (nothing)


a) 2 Fragments of Lembas
b) 4 Milky White Potions of Healing
c) a Vermilion Potion of Antidote
d) 3 Sparkling Blue Potions of Quickness
e) a Sky Blue Potion of Strength
f) a Dark Blue Potion of Constitution
g) a Dark Potion of Grace
h) a Green Potion {c, tried}
i) 3 Murky Brown Potions
j) an Ashen Staff of Understanding (used 2 times)
k) a Golden Staff of Treasures (used 3 times)
l) a Maple Staff of Foes (used 2 times)
m) a Turquoise Ring
n) The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor [+0,1d1]
   It grants you freedom of movement.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  It grants you the ability: Expertise.  
o) a Set of Gauntlets [+0,1d2] {special}
p) a Set of Gauntlets [+0,1d1] {special}
q) a Pair of Boots of Speed [+0,1d1]
   It grants you the ability: Sprinting.  
r) a Pair of Boots of Leaping [+0,1d1]
   It grants you the ability: Leaping.  
s) a Pair of Greaves [-1,1d3] {not nogrod?, special}
t) a Bastard Sword of Fury (-2,3d5) [+1] {cursed} 5.5 lb
   It enrages nearby creatures and is cursed.  It grants you the
   ability: Whirlwind Attack.  It does extra damage when wielded
   with both hands.  
u) a Greatsword of Hador's House (-2,3d7) [+1] 7.5 lb
   It grants you the ability: Follow-Through.  It requires both
   hands to wield it properly.  
v) a Greatsword (-1,3d5) [+1] {special} 5.0 lb
   It requires both hands to wield it properly.  
w) a Great Axe of Black Iron (-4,4d5) 8.0 lb
   It slays men and elves.  It enrages nearby creatures.  It
   requires both hands to wield it properly.  


Keen Senses
Song of Elbereth
Song of Delvings
Song of Freedom
Song of Thresholds
Song of Mastery
Woven Themes


  0 /  3  Wolf                                    
  0 /  2  Orc skirmisher                          
  0 /  1  Grimhawk                                
  0 /  4  Mewlip                                  
  0 /  1  Orc scout                               
  0 /  1  Spider hatchling                        
  0 /  1  Blue serpent                            
  0 /  3  Orc soldier                             
  0 /  4  Gorcrow                                 
  0 /  4  Orc archer                              
  0 /  7  White wolf                              
  (seen)  Gorgol, the Butcher 
  0 / 21  Orc warrior                             
  0 /  4  Orc champion                            
  0 / 20  Easterling warrior                      
  0 /  2  Hummerhorn                              
  0 /  2  Orc captain                             
  0 /  5  Warg                                    
  0 /  1  Dark serpent                            
  0 / 12  Whispering shadow                       
  0 /  5  Distended spider                        
  0 / 14  Easterling archer                       
  (seen)  Othrod, the Orc Lord 
  0 / 14  Snow troll                              
  0 /  1  Lurking horror                          
  0 / 10  Giant                                   
  (seen)  Uldor, the Accursed 
  0 / 11  Easterling spy                          
  0 /  2  Shadow bat                              
  0 / 18  Sulrauko                                
  0 /  3  Fire-drake hatchling                    
  (seen)  Ulfang the Black 
  (seen)  Duruin, Least of the Balrogs 
  0 / 25  Werewolf                                
  0 /  5  Shadow spider                           
  0 /  4  Shadow                                  
  0 /  4  Sapphire serpent                        
  0 /  4  Ruby serpent                            
  0 /  1  Creeping horror                         
  0 / 11  Ringrauko                               
  (seen)  Delthaur, Balrog of Terror 
  0 / 16  Cave troll                              
  0 /  2  Emerald serpent                         
  0 /  1  Oathwraith                              
  0 / 30  Cat warrior                             
  0 /  2  Amethyst serpent                        
  0 /  3  Kemenrauko                              
  (seen)  Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow 
  0 /  5  Spectre                                 
  0 /  2  Spider of Gorgoroth                     
  0 /  9  Greater werewolf                        
  0 /  3  Adamant serpent                         
  0 /  2  Lesser vampire                          
  0 /  1  Cat assassin                            
  (seen)  Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo 
  0 /  2  Young fire-drake                        
  0 /  1  Darting horror                          
  0 /  1  Wraith                                  
  0 / 14  Ururauko                                
  (seen)  Tevildo, Prince of Cats 
  0 /  4  Ancient sapphire serpent                
  0 / 15  Troll guard                             
  0 /  5  Vampire                                 
  0 / 11  Nameless thing                          
  0 /  9  Ancient ruby serpent                    
  0 /  7  Great cold-drake                        
  0 /  1  Silent watcher                          
  0 /  6  Gwathrauko                              
  (seen)  Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame 
  0 /  1  Ancient spider                          
  (seen)  Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger 


Sorim of the Sindar
Entered Angband on 31 May 2021

   Turn     Depth   Note

      0     50 ft   (Song of Elbereth)
      0     50 ft   (Song of Delvings)
      0     50 ft   (Song of Thresholds)
    172    200 ft   Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
    303    200 ft   Fell through a crumbling stair
    442    300 ft   Fell into a chasm
    677    400 ft   Fell into a chasm
  1,185    550 ft   (Keen Senses)
  1,185    550 ft   (Listen)
  2,019    550 ft   (Grace)
  2,838    550 ft   Encountered Othrod, the Orc Lord
  2,840    550 ft   (Disguise)
  2,884    550 ft   Found The Set of Gloves of the Swallow
  2,957    550 ft   Encountered Uldor, the Accursed
  3,178    550 ft   Found The Set of Gauntlets of Bregolas (from 600 ft)
  4,021    600 ft   +3 dagger of cuivienen!!!
  4,021    600 ft   that is a very nice find for this build
  4,451    600 ft   Encountered Ulfang the Black
  4,782    600 ft   Encountered Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
  6,031    700 ft   Encountered Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
  6,121    700 ft   (Grace)
  7,007    700 ft   Found The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor
 10,140    700 ft   Encountered Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
 10,316    700 ft   scaring balrogs off the level never gets old
 10,419    700 ft   found _treasures!
 10,419    700 ft   even better than normal on this build where you can 
 10,419    700 ft   beeline to things relatively safely
 10,632    700 ft   balrogs scared off this level: 2
 10,667    700 ft   balrogs scared off this level: 3
 11,006    700 ft   (Song of Freedom)
 11,006    700 ft   (Song of Mastery)
 12,238    850 ft   Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 12,259    950 ft   tevildo snuck up on me
 12,259    950 ft   could very easily have been YASD, but i survived
 12,259    950 ft   song of mastery is making the song tree pricey
 12,259    950 ft   but i'm very glad i took it
 12,260    950 ft   pity it doesn't take elbereth as a prereq anymore
 12,339    950 ft   Found The Pair of Boots of Taur-nu-Fuin
 12,339    950 ft   ooooooooh, very nice
 12,339    950 ft   more stealth and perception are always welcome
 12,789    950 ft   Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 13,116    950 ft   (Woven Themes)
 14,712    950 ft   Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 16,051    950 ft   Entered the Hoard of the Worm of Greed
 16,257    950 ft   Encountered Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
 16,332    950 ft   there are vaults this build can carefully pick open
 16,332    950 ft   the hoard of the worm of greed is not one of them
 16,332    950 ft   also fuck thuringwethil
 17,086    950 ft   oh great, darting H
 17,086    950 ft   public enemy no. 1 for this build

  ['Score' 019082544]

Posted on 1.6.2021 10:23

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On 1.6.2021 10:23 Wiwaxia wrote:
Another run at Elbereth-Delvings-Thresholds-Listen pacifist, switching to Song of Mastery to handle the throne room. Hoping to get a bit of advice on how to split my xp between melee, evasion, and yet more song before I attempt it.

On 1.6.2021 10:34 Wiwaxia wrote:
I do kinda wish Song of Elbereth could just scare V so hard he drops the crown, like Song of Lorien, but freezing him while I try to knock it off is a good second-best.

On 1.6.2021 23:02 Thraalbee wrote:
You could later also try the 50k xp Challenge mode (which probably is easier than what you are attempting here) with a fixed amount of xp awarded up-front and then no more for the rest of the game. See game options on character creation. I like it for smithing and mastery builds

On 1.6.2021 23:45 Wiwaxia wrote:
Tried the throne room and died, then accidentally quit before saving the dump.
I got enough song to freeze V almost every round (39 total), but just didn't have the melee to dislodge the crown.

Still, better than my previous best with this build. I took the time to sneak around and lock every door on the level and tried to shuffle serpents and dangerous uniques behind locked doors, then used song of elbereth to flush all the troll guards in the throne room up the stairs before breaking tension, which helped a lot with the crowding.

I'll give the 50k xp start a shot. Will certainly make the early floors easier.

On 2.6.2021 03:03 Quirk wrote:
I should probably adjust the Horn of Force to knock Morgoth's crown loose - it seems like it should provide a viable pacifist route to crown removal. It's definitely not optimal having to knock it loose with weapons on a non-combat character.

A bow is probably easier to hit Morgoth with because of the evasion malus against archery - if you had some Piercing arrows you might be in with a shot but even at that you're relying on criticals.

On 2.6.2021 03:32 Wiwaxia wrote:
A pacifist way to knock the crown loose would be much appreciated, but Horn of Force makes you stop singing for a round, which gets you pasted with a Mastery pacifist. (That's actually how this run ended. I wasn't sure if that interaction was already there and my last !Grace was about to run out, so I gave it a try and Morgoth 1-shot me on the following round before I could start singing again. Lucky hit on his part, mind, I'd survived a couple other attacks from him, but still.) It does have the advantage of being an obvious thing to try, at least.

I'll give archery a shot next time.

On 2.6.2021 03:43 Wiwaxia wrote:
I'm serious about Elberething the crown off as a suggestion though, as much on principle as anything else. If I recall, you mentioned being interested in making Elbereth pacifist viable as a build, and it feels a little inelegant to switch to Mastery at the last second when that's already a proven (if difficult) way to win.

On 13.6.2021 23:31 Quirk wrote:
Have added support for Horn of Force - I'm getting back into development again after a long pandemic pause.

Horn of Force will now let you knock the crown off while the truce is still in effect and you can do it from a distance of a couple of squares. Morgoth will come after you, but with Quickness you should be able to evade him and get Elbereth or Mastery back online. Sil-cutting will be the most difficult bit - Angrist would be big here.

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