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From: Eddie Grove <eddiegrove@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Monster and object recall
Date: 2007-07-12 00:29:06
Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3

Hugo Kornelis <Angband@hugo.is_NO_dit.c_SPAM_om> writes:

> What Timo means (if I understand him correctly - and I think I do
> because I share this gripe)

If you share the gripe, don't explain another position, shout your own!

> nothing about being hurt by bright light, I still don't know if I
> already tried Staff of Starlight on the monster without any effect, or
> if I just never tried it. So I may end up trying an ineffective attact
> more than once on the same monster. That would not happen with other
> attacks, as these are described as resists rather than vulnerabilities
> and hence are included in the descriptiopn as soon as I note the resist.

If you know that the monster is not vulnerable to light, and that information
is not included in the monster recall, that is a bug.  If you know it does not
resist fire, and that is not presented, that is also a bug.  The difference is
that the latter bug only annoys you once [the first time you use an attack
that is resisted], whereas the former can confuse you an unlimited number of
times if your memory is poor.

Oh well -- a bug is a bug -- I'm changing my mind.

The monster recall should look like the 'C' 'l' screen.  It should have
entries for everything, along with knowledge like immune, vulnerable,
susceptible, unknown [and resists for variants that do not always provide
full immunity].  Perhaps a table something like


Water Troll  hp(36d10)   Evil    HOTblooded    ESPable Always   INV No
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Acid     susceptible     Fear  susceptible
Fire     susceptible     Lite  vulnerable
Cold     immune          Conf  susceptible
Elec     unknown
Poison   immune

with plenty more entries, but that's enough typing.  Another table for attacks
and spells of course.

In this case, it is assumed I have never knowingly attacked a water troll with
an elec attack, so I don't know anything about it.  Fear and conf are tricky.
If you attack and it saves what should you learn?  But that's a different
discussion.


Eddie

Monster and object recall 38 posts
..... Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-09 03:56:46 13
............... Christer Nyfalt 2007-07-09 11:20:31 17
.................... Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-09 12:10:53 23
......................... DarkGod 2007-07-09 12:27:58 8
.......... DarkGod 2007-07-09 09:14:50 10
............... andrewdoull 2007-07-09 10:26:33 23
.................... DarkGod 2007-07-09 10:59:58 22
.................... Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-09 12:13:54 20
.................... Phil Carmody 2007-07-09 12:15:33 29
.......... Eddie Grove 2007-07-10 17:05:04 22
............... Matthias 2007-07-10 21:25:00 19
.................... Nick 2007-07-10 23:14:23 34
......................... Matthias 2007-07-10 23:45:20 23
......................... camlost 2007-07-10 23:48:45 13
.............................. Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-11 00:29:24 34
................................... Nick 2007-07-11 01:40:52 25
........................................ Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-11 02:13:25 32
............................................. Strike & Co. 2007-07-11 03:11:05 29
............................................. Nick 2007-07-11 04:31:11 16
.................................................. Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-11 12:48:48 19
....................................................... andrewdoull 2007-07-11 13:48:53 23
............................................. Billy Bissette 2007-07-11 06:48:14 26
................................... Scott Yost 2007-07-11 06:01:57 40
................................... Hallvard B Furuseth 2007-07-15 18:26:22 22
........................................ Twisted 2007-07-15 22:53:22 19
............................................. Hallvard B Furuseth 2007-07-17 17:01:20 24
.................................................. Twisted 2007-07-21 07:50:28 22
......................... Eddie Grove 2007-07-11 01:21:43 10
......................... Timo Pietil 2007-07-11 06:45:43 65
.............................. Billy Bissette 2007-07-11 07:23:42 24
................................... Timo Pietil 2007-07-11 09:03:13 34
........................................ Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-12 15:01:33 19
............... Timo Pietil 2007-07-11 08:41:38 35
.................... Eddie Grove 2007-07-11 07:53:34 24
......................... Timo Pietilä 2007-07-11 09:37:04 38
.............................. Hugo Kornelis 2007-07-12 00:52:20 36
................................... Eddie Grove 2007-07-12 00:29:06 47
........................................ Andrew Sidwell 2007-07-12 15:27:35 42


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