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From: Jiamat <iopia0@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: [announce] Angband 3.0.4 beta 1 released
Date: 2004-02-02 18:13:00
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On 2004-02-02 17:44:43, Atriel <atriel666@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much for the update, Robert :)
> I am happy with some balancing done... especially harad X-Bows
> that did make some combos very powerful.
> Itīs very good to put on features to simplify and minimize the number
> of keypresses, and make easier to interact with the game.
> I like the stacking of wands/staves/rods too.
> But... i must remember you and everyone in the angband community
> that i think Angband is straying from one of the fundamental principles of
> its spirit from when it was born as Moria and early Angband versions.
> Before, when somebody won, Angband creators strived to make the
> game harder, but winable. Now, Angband is getting easier with each
> version that comes out.

Most changes 3.0.4 are making make the game harder. Remember GoI. Exactly.

> Awesome ego items and arts...
> itīs easier to find good stuff cuz they show up earlier and more...
> Some Rods are no more destroyable in this version...

Rods never could be destroyed. I (and Jonathan and probably a few others) think
it should stay that way.

> Now without haggling, all prices are lower than they were...

I like haggling as a flavour option if it doesn't lead to the 'sales tax'. I
don't think it should be should be removed completely even if i don't use it.

> Just small changes, but from bean to bean the chicken gets gorged.
> And i see a LOT of times people proposing changes to make the game
> still *much* easier. IMHO, this is just wrong.

Like preventing rune abuse, LoS abuse etc.

> Is the community getting spoiled? (always wanting a easier game)
> I think that the spoiling started in some super-easy popular variants..
> even thu i like them somewhat. (one of them i quit out of boredom as
> a clvl 50)

Z's much harder nowadays. Tome gets a bit sticky when you get to Angband.

> I am still a newbie to Angband, as i am a bander for less than 3 versions
> (as a rule of what a newbie is) but i know whow early band was,
> and played Moria sometimes to see how it was... as well looked after
> Angband history.
> My first Angband non-scummed char that reached clvl 20 died only
> to Morgoth... (never won thu...)
> Even early Angband versions and Moria are very winable.

Moria is much easier than Angband, past or present.

> So, what i am remembering, not only asking, is this
> fundamental principle that is being forgotten by everyone.
> Please, donīt make the game easier. Features to minimize keypresses
> or make the interface better are good, but not to make the game
> easier.
> Vanilla Angband is already one of the easiest bands.
>

Most of the changes to make the game easier were to make the game more
consistent. Moving draco* made sense. Chaos max damage reduced from 600 to 400,
i didn't notice. The famous crossbows are being fixed.

In general there are more people wanting the game to be harder rather than
easier. Smart AI is fitted as standard in quite a few variants nowadays which
hardly makes things easier.




[announce] Angband 3.0.4 beta 1 released 43 posts
..... Robert Ruehlmann 2004-02-01 20:38:49 176
.......... Robert Ruehlmann 2004-02-01 20:49:51 17
.......... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Timo_Pietilä?= 2004-02-01 21:15:26 12
.......... Velvet Elvis 2004-02-01 23:00:39 65
............... Jonathan Ellis 2004-02-01 23:12:15 67
.................... Harriet Bazley 2004-02-02 19:02:19 37
......................... Neodymium 2004-02-02 20:31:56 21
.............................. Harriet Bazley 2004-02-04 00:29:26 35
.......... MightyKitten 2004-02-01 23:51:56 10
.......... Matthew Collett 2004-02-02 04:34:01 41
.......... Tom Whistler 2004-02-02 10:36:26 8
............... Neodymium 2004-02-02 11:20:42 24
............... Matthias Kurzke 2004-02-02 14:27:42 17
............... Robert Ruehlmann 2004-02-02 18:48:19 14
.......... Matthias Kurzke 2004-02-02 12:16:51 33
............... Jonathan Ellis 2004-02-02 12:46:05 47
.................... Matthew Collett 2004-02-02 21:29:25 36
......................... Jonathan Ellis 2004-02-02 23:47:56 54
.............................. Neodymium 2004-02-03 00:02:21 24
................................... David Grenier 2004-02-04 01:26:27 40
........................................ Neodymium 2004-02-04 10:16:58 76
.............................. Matthew Collett 2004-02-03 07:25:57 23
................................... Jonathan Ellis 2004-02-03 09:47:04 37
............... Michael Roper 2004-02-02 13:56:28 16
.................... Juergen Frieling 2004-02-02 15:03:01 10
......................... Michael Roper 2004-02-02 15:46:13 27
.............................. Jiamat 2004-02-02 16:32:08 40
................................... Neodymium 2004-02-02 16:55:20 36
.......... pelpel 2004-02-02 15:21:22 39
............... pelpel 2004-02-02 16:07:31 10
.......... Atriel 2004-02-02 17:44:43 44
............... Jiamat 2004-02-02 18:13:00 70
.................... Atriel 2004-02-03 00:31:37 12
.......... Michael Roper 2004-02-03 03:18:31 10
.......... Eddie Grove 2004-02-03 18:01:08 26
............... David Vestal 2004-02-03 18:07:20 32
............... Jonathan Ellis 2004-02-03 19:47:11 36
.................... Jiamat 2004-02-03 20:36:38 37
......................... Jeff Greene 2004-02-04 00:06:13 38
.................... Toby 2004-02-04 11:42:36 26
.......... Eddie Grove 2004-02-10 07:31:44 23
............... Michael Roper 2004-02-10 08:03:34 8
.................... Eddie Grove 2004-02-10 09:46:33 32


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