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From: "Jeff Lait" <torespondisfutile@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Quest for the new RogueBasin
Date: 2006-07-24 04:19:45
Agent: G2/0.2

Joshua Tobin wrote:
>
> I don't have much experience with RogueBasin, so I don't know what
> anti-spam measures were employed, but did anyone ever try a CAPTCHA?

First, please note that no anti-spam measures were tried.  That's why
there is the desire to move.  Any real administration required the
direct work of third parties who were too busy to address the needs.

> Assuming that bots were the source of the spam problem, there is plenty
> of CAPTCHA free CAPTCHA software available (I've had good experiences
> with QuickCaptcha, and as it's written in PHP, it would be easy to
> integrate into MediaWiki).

This is why technologists shouldn't be asked to give the solution to
some problems.  A homogenous set of preinstalled defaults makes it easy
for spammers to write bots.  So the proposed solution is to deploy a
homogenous spam-blocking program?

Spammers aren't targetting roguebasin directly.  That isn't
economically feasible.  It is bots sweeping for standard entry methods.
The best solution is if every wiki devised its own unique and
different validation process.  As an example, there could be a field
that says: "Please enter the password "xyzzy"."  Of course, said
technologists would be quick to make this a plug in so every wiki will
end up with the exact same wording, making it again trivial for a bot
writer to bypass.

captchas just cause annoyance to users who fail the test, and risk
providing a uniform attack.  The bot writer merely needs to defeat the
captcha to gain access to *every* site using said method.
--
Jeff Lait
(POWDER: http://www.zincland.com/powder)


The Quest for the new RogueBasin 69 posts
..... Slash 2006-07-23 18:48:25 25
.......... Jeff Lait 2006-07-23 20:44:28 38
............... Yendor 2006-07-23 21:13:32 18
.................... Ido.Yehieli@gmail.com 2006-07-23 22:12:56 9
......................... Kornel Kisielewicz 2006-07-24 16:56:37 14
............... Joshua Tobin 2006-07-23 22:34:14 40
.................... Yendor 2006-07-23 23:18:24 13
......................... AngeloB 2006-07-24 21:09:38 18
.............................. Yendor 2006-07-24 23:00:36 6
................................... Yendor 2006-07-25 15:50:08 11
........................................ Slash 2006-07-25 16:23:44 21
............................................. Yendor 2006-07-25 16:49:09 32
.................... Martin Read 2006-07-23 23:15:21 15
.................... Jeff Lait 2006-07-24 04:19:45 35
......................... Joshua Tobin 2006-07-24 15:42:16 37
.............................. Chris Morris 2006-07-24 16:03:42 37
............... lochok 2006-07-24 09:37:04 23
.......... Kornel Kisielewicz 2006-07-24 09:48:09 17
.................... Kornel Kisielewicz 2006-07-24 16:53:10 24
......................... Slash 2006-07-24 17:58:16 53
.............................. konijn_ 2006-07-24 18:14:22 37
.............................. Joni =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Yrjn?= 2006-07-24 20:26:52 15
................................... Yendor 2006-07-24 21:16:15 7
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........................................ Slash 2006-07-26 01:39:17 95
............................................. Antoine 2006-07-26 01:46:59 12
........................................ Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-07-26 02:33:19 15
............................................. =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-08 08:06:56 26
....................................................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-08-08 09:37:41 29
............................................................ =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-08 15:54:39 37
.................................................. Antoine 2006-08-08 09:17:36 20
.................................................. Slash 2006-08-08 15:38:29 37
.................................................. Kornel Kisielewicz 2006-08-08 17:09:20 22
................................... Kornel Kisielewicz 2006-07-27 17:27:04 20
.............................. Jeff Lait 2006-07-25 15:39:50 22
............... lochok 2006-07-24 10:32:25 19
............... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-07-25 02:37:37 30
.......... DarkGod 2006-07-25 14:41:05 22
............... =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-07-25 22:44:24 35
.................... DarkGod 2006-07-26 10:32:39 24
......................... =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-07-26 15:15:20 32
................................... =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-03 07:49:41 44
........................................ Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-08-03 09:22:16 17
........................................ DarkGod 2006-08-03 09:56:19 16
........................................ Gamer_2k4 2006-08-03 15:42:33 10
........................................ Slash 2006-08-03 15:57:48 33
............................................. Gamer_2k4 2006-08-03 18:16:26 9
.................................................. Ido.Yehieli@gmail.com 2006-08-03 18:22:12 8
.................................................. Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-08-03 18:38:56 15
............................................................ Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-08-03 19:40:22 29
................................................................. Antoine 2006-08-03 22:46:07 25
...................................................................... Michal Bielinski 2006-08-03 23:15:57 18
....................................................... Slash 2006-08-03 19:07:18 25
............................................................ R. Dan Henry 2006-08-04 22:40:18 23
............................................................ jude hungerford 2006-08-06 04:08:57 19
................................................................. Slash 2006-08-07 04:47:59 28
....................................................... Martin Read 2006-08-03 19:39:12 15
.................................................. David Damerell 2006-08-08 17:20:01 8
........................................ =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-03 22:03:45 62
............................................. Timofei Shatrov 2006-08-03 22:22:40 23
.................................................. =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-04 09:09:49 36
....................................................... Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski 2006-08-04 20:22:49 23
............................................. Michal Bielinski 2006-08-03 23:10:17 17
.................................................. =?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr2cm4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= 2006-08-04 09:06:48 24
....................................................... DarkGod 2006-08-04 09:49:06 21
............................................. kalikiana 2006-08-04 05:06:40 3
.............................. DarkGod 2006-07-26 18:07:30 20
.............................. DarkGod 2006-07-30 13:05:29 34


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